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allquixotic
Posts: 22
Registered: ‎10-03-2011
Location: MD, US
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A Very Disappointing Slide Into Mediocrity. My Lenovo "Experience"

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I've been using ThinkPads since 2002 and have personally owned at least one since 2006. I have an X60, X61T, the Tablet Slate (android) and now the T530. I personally have never had to service a unit carrying the ThinkPad name, and I have never heard of any of my colleagues, most of whom have older ThinkPads, ever having an issue with theirs. But all of that is changing, and it only took Lenovo two weeks to turn my perspective on them around 180 degrees.

 

The T530 is going back, and I'm also requesting a refund on my customer loyalty to Lenovo.

 

I ordered a T530 that was pretty much full to the brim with the top-end features. Thought it'd be great.

 

Nope.

 

First issue: unit came with the wrong screen. As discussed in a few other threads here, they are shipping out new units with the cheapo 1366x768 screen when you order a "HD 1900x1080". First of all, a 1900x1080 resolution doesn't exist, or at least it isn't in the FRU list for the T530. Second of all, the price of the item is the same as the 1366x768. So this is extremely misleading to the customer, who thinks "cool, I'm going to get an HD screen for the cost of a small one" -- but when it arrives, you don't get what they advertised. In fact, it's physically impossible to get what they told you you'd get, because it doesn't exist.

 

Second issue: I'm OK with them making one mistake, but if it's their fault (and it was), I fully expected them to fix it at their expense. I expected them to ship out a unit with the FHD 1920x1080 screen and all my original specs at no expense to me, and expedite it. On top of that, I expected to be able to keep my current unit until the new one arrives. That's how you treat a customer when you've screwed up. You don't try to double-book two laptops on their credit card and hold the charge out there for however long you want, until you receive the original laptop and verify that it's in pristine condition. Again, the important point to remember here is that this situation is Lenovo's fault and they are responsible for satisfying me as a customer, or I will cease to be their customer. Once you make a mistake and you don't deliver on what you promised, all bets are off; you can no longer operate like a greedy corporation (if you want to stay in business, that is). But Lenovo is still treating me like they did nothing wrong, so I'm treating them like what they deserve, and getting my money back. ALL of it.

 

Third issue: As if to pour salt in the wound, the "a" key on my keyboard just randomly broke off in the middle of ordinary typing. One of the little tiny plastic "grabbers" holding the key in place snapped off. I remember ThinkPads that had mechanical springs down there that lasted me upwards of 6 years. What is this cheap plastic nonsense, and why does it have to break NOW when I'm already piping hot from this screen debacle?!

 

Fourth issue: Intolerable customer support. In the rare occasion that I've gotten someone from the U.S. on the line or the chat, it's been semi-OK, except that every single time I contact them I get run around to this or that department. Don't they have a transfer system at least so they can send me to the right person without having to call another number?!

 

Fifth issue: They just seem to totally not care. They screwed up the order; the unit is now defective on top of that; and they just don't give an expletive. No attempts to keep me as a customer by giving me a discount; no attempts to send me a replacement unit at their expense; no nothing except "I apologize for the inconvenience." which was surely cut and paste from a script sheet or program.

 

Lenovo has lost the human element of their service department, and they have lost the intangible build quality element of their product. No doubt in the pursuit of cutting costs to raise profits.

 

Raise these profits, Lenovo: you are going to pay me $2,217.26 -- the full price of my order -- for the privilege of having used your bargain-bin-quality laptop for two weeks. And I will never, EVER buy another product from your company again, even if you are the only laptop manufacturer in the world. (Full disclosure; the price above includes a 25% employee pricing discount. That's awesome so I'll probably wait until a similar offer comes along for another manufacturer.)

 

The fun part is that I now get to spend about half the money to get basically the same thing (i.e. low quality) from some other vendor that has never pretended to be high-quality. I'm willing to suffer through the quality drop if that's how everyone's going these days, but I'm not going to pay top dollar for bottom-level service. I have ballpoint pens with fewer defects than my laptop. Un-expletiving-believable.

 

To those who are still loyal to this brand, I am totally baffled. Either you got extremely lucky, or you have way more patience than I do. I'm in the market for something like a Dell Latitude, Panasonic Toughbook or HP Elitebook. If anyone has any recommendations, feel free to send them my way. I'm looking for something with comparable specs to the T530 (approximately, that is) but with a more realistic price. I mean, I'm pretty sure that whoever I order from is going to deliver some part that's low quality, but at least I don't have to pay so much to get it.

 

Thanks for reading. I only hope that this story of "The Decline of Lenovo" will help future customers -- and current ones who haven't had the "pleasure" of trying out one of their new models -- to make a more informed decision. Is the ThinkPad brand still the same quality it was back in the IBM days? Short answer: No, it is absolutely not.

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supersalad
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Re: A Very Disappointing Slide Into Mediocrity. My Lenovo "Experience"

The sad truth is all manufacturers dont make things the way they used to anymore. Aside from really high-end top of the line overpriced products, everything now is pretty much Chinese crap. I remember when I was younger, my favorite T-Shirt that is made in the USA lasted a couple of years, our Solid State Radios that are made in Japan survived falls and  frequent power surges and I swear if the newer models didn't come out, it would still be working until now.

 

Everything is degrading. Imagine how much crap mankind's future generation have to deal with because we allow this stuff to happen. Consumers should better demand quality, refuse mediocrity and we better do it NOW.

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allquixotic
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Registered: ‎10-03-2011
Location: MD, US
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Re: A Very Disappointing Slide Into Mediocrity. My Lenovo "Experience"


supersalad wrote:

The sad truth is all manufacturers dont make things the way they used to anymore. Aside from really high-end top of the line overpriced products, everything now is pretty much Chinese crap. I remember when I was younger, my favorite T-Shirt that is made in the USA lasted a couple of years, our Solid State Radios that are made in Japan survived falls and  frequent power surges and I swear if the newer models didn't come out, it would still be working until now.

 

Everything is degrading. Imagine how much crap mankind's future generation have to deal with because we allow this stuff to happen. Consumers should better demand quality, refuse mediocrity and we better do it NOW.



OR demand lower prices on our Chinese crap so that we can effortlessly replace it like a lightbulb when it falls apart. :smileylol:

 

They could probably do disposable one-use laptops (with your data connected to the cloud) easier than they could do truly reliable laptops again. They lost the know-how of how to do that when IBM sold to China. :smileyfrustrated:

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ColonelONeill
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Registered: ‎12-26-2009
Location: Toronto
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Re: A Very Disappointing Slide Into Mediocrity. My Lenovo "Experience"

Too much waste. :smileysad:
W520: i7-2720QM, Q2000M at 1070/670/1340, 22GB RAM, 500GB HDD, FHD screen
TPT1: 1839-23U, stock ICS
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gilsongj
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Location: Saskatoon
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Re: A Very Disappointing Slide Into Mediocrity. My Lenovo "Experience"

You can get a MBP with "Retina Display" for less than $2,217.26.

 

Lenovo, think about that.


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jonathan1636
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Location: California
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Re: A Very Disappointing Slide Into Mediocrity. My Lenovo "Experience"

I have to agree to everything you said.

When I was in the market for a computer, I was in for something of real quality. I have never had a real problem with Windows Operating systems. The real problem I have had is with the hardware.

Although I only owned one laptop, the fan and HDD gave up. I was and am still in school, and the worst thing that can happen to any professional or student is for their computer to fail.

 

Anyway, I decided to go with Lenovo. I was about to start my Masters Degree and I was really scared of ever losing my data. Besides thesis stuff, I had data and other research stuff I was working on -- very important stuff if I may emphasize.

Well, right before an abstract submission for a conference was due, guess what happens? Yes, as my roommate put it while laughing at me, "my indestructible crap" decided to just not turn on. I won't go into detail about the whole battle I had to put up just to get my money back. I was very sad that I could not get my data back, but at least I got my money back -- 5 months after the incident. But yes, customer support is awful, and yes, they are absolutely indifferent about your problem. After all it is their job to save money to the company.

 

Because I am a grad student, you would think that I am smart and would not give in again. Well, here goes me and buys another t420s.

The thing is working fine BUT! The right side palm creaks, there is some sort of noise that comes from the fan (but it's not the fan as it has a weird interference noise. And it is not the speaker either) and I live in the eternal fear that some day, somehow I will lose everything.

 

With the release of the t430s it is like Lenovo only looked at what the competition is doing in order to make thinkpads more mainstream and more profitable. But they also ignored everything the customer asked for.

 

They went chicklet -- why? To streamline and reduce costs (after all consumers seem to like chicklet)

The chassis is exactly the same -- even though there are numerous complaints about the palmrest creaking and other things being loose.

They added backlit keyboard -- Why? To make it more consumer and mainstream, but what happens if you spill something?

They kept the same screen -- all customers have been complaining about the low quality (washed out) screen

The problems are all over the internet, so there is no way they don't know.

 

Me? Well, now that I'm sure that the ThinkPad brand is either going to stay the same or get worse. Now that Microsoft has come up with their nonsense Windows 8. Now that there really isn't another PC alternative to the t series (you know, 14" display, portable and light, nice keyboard feel) I will have to make the painful and uncomfortable move to a Mac when this t420s fails. Trust me, though. I use my computer in a lab or my home office. I am not expecting a beautiful looking PC with feature over feature over feature. Nor do I subject my PC to harsh environments or treatment. All I wanted was a Windows based system that was durable; that protected my data, something that lasted a while.

It's sad that I already know I won't be that person. But at least I will make a better choice next time.

 

 

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MarkLuvsCS
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Registered: ‎07-13-2012
Location: Florida
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I'm sorry you had really bad luck with your laptop, but I find it absolutely absurd that you didn't have multiple backups of such important data. Even my random college class work gets back up to at least 3 places as it stands now. I wish I knew an easier way to sync things on a schedule, but I also get a peace of mind manually backing it up every week or so. External HDDs can be bought for $60-100 for 500gb-1tb drives, and even online backup plans aren't too expensive. Grab two externals and a fireproof small personal safe, and your data should never be in harms way again.

 

I've always been overly paranoid with my data since long ago a paper I was working on was lost when a random reboot happened. Now I autosave like crazy, I backup like crazy, and I've never had any issues with data loss since.

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Soduku
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Location: Birmingham, UK
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Apple is the way forward. Steve was't hailed for no reason.
ThinkPad T420s (4174-HG6) i5-2540M 8GB RAM, 320GB HDD
ThinkPad T430s (2356-GDG) i5-3320M, 8GB RAM, 500GB HDD x 2