General Discussion

[#1]

As evidenced in previous threads here and around the internet, recording via stereo mix has been removed from most new Thinkpads, at present the x6x/t6x series, that i am aware of. Threads have been started, users have tried to take the matter into their own hands trying to hack the drivers, and Lenovo has not responded at all, People have tried to contact tech support about the matter & they are equally clueless.

Could we get an official response on the matter, and if there is an expectation that the feature will be re-enabled in subsequent drivers, as happened with Dell & the Sigmatel 92xx drivers?

An easy solution for some is an additional soundcard, which i think is ridiculous considering the amount of money spent on these machines, but for some machines that isn't even a viable solution, the pcmcia controller on some t6x & x6x models are incompatible with popular pcmcia soundcards and users have reported that usb solutions don't work either.

I've also tried software solutions like Virtual Audio Cable & Total Recorder and they are not acceptable solutons for me, simply b/c they don't work.

I think i can safely say on behalf of the other users with the problem, that we'd like an official response.

Some Lenovo Specific Threads pertaining to the issue:

http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?t=52527&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0


http://forums.lenovo.com/lnv/board/message?board.id=T_Series_Thinkpads&message.id=1880


other similar threads across the internet also w/ Thinkpad users:

http://www.notebookforums.com/thread193323.html


http://www.notebookforums.com/thread193327.html


http://www.notebookforums.com/thread188271.html


Message Edited by drtigerlilly on 03-23-2008 06:23 PM

[#2]

drtigerlilly wrote:

Could we get an official response on the matter.

Well, this issue is not just with Lenovo laptops, it seems to apply pretty much across the board with current laptop models from all vendors. Also this site is not part of Lenovo's support mechanisms, so there no guarantee that you will get any "official" answer. 

The problem appears to arise from the RIAA, so you would probably be better off hounding them, IMO.

Cheers,

Bill

[#3]

Where would be an appropiate support mechanism to air this concern?

and what then is the purpose of these forums?

[#4]

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drtigerlilly wrote:

and what then is the purpose of these forums?

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Please read all of http://lnv.lithium.com/lnv/board/message?board.id=Hello&thread.id=1 carefully!

[#5]

Yes, some Lenovo employees do read and post to this forum.  Mark is quite active, and several others post as well.  In addition, there are lurkers who just read without making public comments although sometimes they ask the mod team to either gather more information or pass along advice.

However, here are the expectations of their participation from the Welcome message:

These communities have been created to provide a high quality atmosphere in which users of Lenovo products and services may share experiences and expertise. While members from Lenovo may participate at intervals to engage in the discussions and offer advice and suggestions, this forum is not designed as a dedicated and staffed support channel.

The bottom line is there's no guarantee that you will get an answer to a question here directly from Lenovo. 

On the other hand, you just might!  ;-)

[#6]

I don't want to be seen as argumentative....but i disagree that i have to accept, that this is just how things are....

I don't want to be rude...but i do want an opportunity to be heard. I fully understand that it is not guaranteed that one of the Lenovo members will see the post, but it is possible that they will.

I also feel that its my right to ask about the matter, a feature was removed that was previously available, and noone said anything to consumers, it doesn't matter if it was done by all the OEM's across the industry, that doesn't make it right.

My second reason is so that other users are aware that the feature is missing

Message Edited by drtigerlilly on 03-23-2008 03:29 PM

[#7]

I don't think that either Bill or I said you couldn't ask.  We both were just answering your question about the purpose of this forum and level-setting the expectations.

[#8]

drtigerlilly,

You are right that there seems to be a fair amount of discussion around the different forums on this issue.

I've responded to your other thread, and we will investigate the issue this coming week.   I say this, as I personally don't know the whole history of how and why things are they way they are today.

Best regards,

Mark

[#9]

> the pcmcia controller on some t6x & x6x models are incompatible with popular pcmcia soundcards

 While doing research for a purchase, I just discovered about  this missing function which I have used on previous PCs.  Hopefully we'll hear some good news.  In the meantime as a workaround, how does one iidentify the incompatible pcmcia T6x models?

[#10]

right click on my computer, from the start menu, select properties, select the hardware tab then go to device manager. Under pcmcia controllers it tells you the pcmcia controller that is in your machine.

You will have to check the support documentation for the soundcard you're looking to buy, if they have cards there are known issues with.

such as Creative's SoundBlaster Audigy 2ZS

Message Edited by drtigerlilly on 03-26-2008 09:18 AM