02-13-2012 07:54 AM
While it would be wonderful if Lenovo were to release the code threatening them will most likely only get them to stop talking with the community altogether. Many companies have a policy as soon as a lawyer is mentioned it gets turned over to legal and that is it.
lets try to keep it through valid channels and open support tickets and the like.
02-13-2012 08:23 PM - edited 02-13-2012 08:47 PM
02-14-2012 07:05 AM - edited 02-14-2012 07:10 AM
To give you an idea whos jerking who. The asus TF Prime was released a little a month ago and the complied with they GPL license. Heck they even have the ICS code available which was released 2 weeks ago.
How come Lenovo whos product was relased 6 months ago cant do the same? are they intentionally holding on the source code release for reasons not beneficial to k1 owners.
Lenovo please comply with the licenses. This is really making you look by intentionally not releasing the Sourcecode and stonewalling.
02-14-2012 07:09 AM
And all of Amazon's products, including the Kindle Fire: http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.htm
They're aware of them... I provided links myself when I was called by a Lenovo Customer Advocate back in December.
That they're aware of them and still haven't done anything makes things worse, not better, though.
02-14-2012 07:18 AM - edited 02-14-2012 07:19 AM
Well what amazes me is the speed asus relased the code. ICS update for the TF was just released 2 weeks ago. And almost at the same time they have it available.
It speaks alot about the company and how they honor their obligations. The speed that they complied with really garned =10000 brownie points in my book . And not only that they acknowledge issues with their product and offered rebates to owners of the said affected product. Another 10000 brownie points!
Lenovo please follow that and honor your obligations. This is already on top of the issues owners are experiencing with your product. On both cases it feels like someone at your end is stonewalling and telling us to suck it up because its the way you do business.
02-14-2012 01:08 PM
It would be great to see the GPL code for the A1 released. When I bought this table I assumed Lenovo would be more similar to Asus because of the strong IBM connection in the past.
I am sad to see Lenovo seems to be more similar to LG. It seems that we will not be seeing the source code until after the A1 is no longer interesting...if ever. It is sad. I am still installing and up dating my Motorola Droid and that devices is 3 or 4 years old. Because if it, I still advocate for Motorola devices even though they keep doing dumb things like locking their boot loaders on newer devices.
Anyway, I strongly beleive Lenovo would sell many more A1's if we had source to build ROM's with...and they would then be able to drive another 100k or more devices off of an old design. Additionally, I would advocate to my friends and family to buy future Lenovo Android devices because they won't be left out in the cold with an "out of date" device the day they buy it.
I must say one thing very clearly, though...THANK YOU LENOVO FOR NOT LOCKING THE BOOT LOADER OR SYSTEM...you are 1/2 way to a very excited user base.
I really do want to be a strong advocate of Lenovo...they have always built great products.
02-14-2012 02:19 PM
What a great forum. My post got deleted, but not the reply post saying that I was "threatening" Lenovo by asking people to contact them to request the source code. I have honestly never been so frustrated with a technology company in my life. I get no response from Customer Service and get silenced in their online p2p forum. You try to do the right thing, and expect the same in return from the manufacturer, but I guess that's to much to ask.
Does Lenovo not understand they are holding my property? The source code is part of my product. The day I purchased the device I became part owner. And it's not a matter of "Oh I'll sell the device and go to another manufacturer", that's not the point. By withholding the source code Lenovo is keeping me from property that I own. I unfortunately don't have extra money to hire a lawyer to help me obtain my property. The Software Freedom Law Center said they have no pull with Lenovo. What a useless piece of garbage the GPL is.
Does anyone have any other suggestions on how to get Lenovo to give us our property?
LENOVO GIVE ME MY SOURCE CODE!!!
02-14-2012 02:52 PM
Does Lenovo not understand they are holding my property?
Well, not your property, as such, but your point is correct. Lenovo clearly doesn't understand gratis vs libre. The software they used to build their product is free, yes, but as Stallman puts it: Free like speech, not free like beer.
Just in case Mr. Hopkins is reading. Here's the relevant portion of the GPL FAQ: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#GPLRequir
Does the GPL require that source code of modified versions be posted to the public?
The GPL does not require you to release your modified version, or any part of it. You are free to make modifications and use them privately, without ever releasing them. This applies to organizations (including companies), too; an organization can make a modified version and use it internally without ever releasing it outside the organization.
But if you release the modified version to the public in some way, the GPL requires you to make the modified source code available to the program's users, under the GPL.
Thus, the GPL gives permission to release the modified program in certain ways, and not in other ways; but the decision of whether to release it is up to you.
So, the day they shipped the first tablet, they became obligated to release the relevant source.
02-15-2012 09:47 AM
We are working to make the K1 and A1 code available. We just made the ThinkPad code available today...