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07-28-2008 04:20 AM - edited 07-28-2008 04:22 AM
Cheers for the instructions there dawog!! I have had paragon installed for ages on the laptop for ages so i could tweak other hard drives connected via USB enclosures. I didn't think anything of it all until you suggested it.
I had wasted hours trying to do what i've done successfully in the past, even with this laptop (that was going from a 10 to a 40gb drive as the 10 was physically failing). Which is, 1) take the drive out, put it on a 2.5 to 3.5 converter and hook it up to another pc. 2) use systemrescuecd to create a NTFS partition and copy the new data across 3) put the new drive in, use a xp recovery disk and run fixboot & fixmbr and have it work. It was beyond me why it was failing, and i had tried at least a half dozen different ways.
I hooked the new drive up via the usb port, ran paragon and cloned it bit-identical, THEN expanded it and it worked a treat.
Thankyou once again for the tip, i had started getting to the point where i was nearly pulling hair out!
08-12-2008 09:18 PM - edited 08-12-2008 09:21 PM
Hi. You guys are fantastic! I also have an R40, and I've been driving myself crazy trying to do this with Ghost. So after reading dawog's post, I bought Paragon's Hard Disk manager. It was almost perfect. I'm 99% of the way there, so can you maybe tell me what I'm doing wrong?
I want to clone a 40gb hard disk to a 120gb. Before I began, the 40gb drive showed the disk size as 33.3. (Plus 6.7 hidden gives me the 40 gb)
I followed all the instructions, and it went perfectly --
1) Booting from the Paragon Hard Disk manager 2008 CD, and selecting "Copy Hard Disk".
2) Deslecting "proportional enlargement," and chosing HD Raw copy (which the tech guys at Paragon recommended, to force a sector by sector copy.) I then hit copy.
3) When it was finished, the newly cloned 120 gb disk showed the primary partition was 33.3. I couldn't find or see the "hidden partition," but I assumed it was still here. The rest of the drive (87mb) displayed as unpartitioned, and empty.
4) I turned the computer off, and replaced my old 40 gb drive with the new 120. I rebooted, (into the new 120 drive, the old drive was disconnected), and XP started perfectly. I shut down. (I just wanted to make sure it booted at all, which it didn't with Ghost. I wanted to make sure I had my operating system, and all my files.) So far, so good -- although it was still showing that the primary partitoin was 33.3, and I couldn't see the hidden partition.
And right here is where it went wrong: On the reboot, I wanted to see if the "Thinkvantage" button worked. When I pressed during the restart, the screen had the IBM logo (and the "press thinkvantage button to interrupt normal start), it went straight into a blue-screen bios set-up. No IBM pre-desktop.)
So at this point, I had lost the pre-desktop/hidden partition. Continuing on anyway, I resized the primary partition. This worked fine.
But when I was finished, here's what I had: A cloned hard drive, (120gb) that boots in XP, but doesn't have the "hidden" 6.7 mb recovery partition.
Did I do something wrong? Any advice? (At the very worst, I still have the old 40gb drive, which still has the recovery partition on it, if everything were to go wrong. But I'd love to have the 120 with the recovery partition.)
Thanks in advance for any help/advice you can offer.
08-12-2008 10:02 PM
My advice? Unless you want to do this over again, I'd keep what you've got. When I finished copying the orig 80GB drive to my new 250GB HD, I could see both partitions (before moving & expandind) - the primary (73.3GB) and the hidden (6.7GB). If you can't see your 6.7 GB hidden partition, then I'd assume that it wasn't copied. In addiiton, I did not force a "Sector by Sector" copy (not that that had anything to do with it, but who knows?).
Actually, I'm envious! I despise hidden partitions, as I'm a big believer in the manufacturer giving the buyer his or her own copy of the OS installation disks. Also, I was afraid that you couldn't delete the hidden partition, since it is tied in with the boot process. The only reason I thought it would be useful to keep the hidden partition was if I ever wanted to sell or give away the laptop, at which point I could use "Rescue & Recovery" to restore the laptop hard drive to it's original condition. Be advised tho' that Lenovo Cust Service said it would only restore to the same size drive as the original hard drive, and to restore to a larger HD I'd have to purchase their recovery disks.
Just my two cents worth. Since I usually use my computers/laptops until they die a slow death, I'm actually considering deleting the hidden partition just to reclaim the space. I do my own backups and make an image of my current drive every month with either Acronis or Paragon, so it's not likely I'll ever use ThinkPad's Rescue & Recovery.
08-12-2008 10:11 PM
On the original drive, can you fire up paragon and see if it can see the hidden partition? from the sounds of what you said happened i would wonder if you did "clone partition" instead of "clone hard drive". Clone Hard drive should copy all physical partitions across in a bit-copy as you said. Also while you have the original drive in there & running as the primary, could you plug in the second drive and see if paragon can find the second partition? how is this second drive connecting? via a usb port & enclosure? or is it in a secondary drive caddy (i.e. replacing the cdrom, in its own caddy, etc)
I didn't have a hidden partition on my computer to be truthfull, only an operational c: (and a couple of recovery cd's instead of the partition) so that made my life a loat easier.
let me know how you go, im trying to figure out what is wrong, you never knoew it may be one silly checkbox that's different.
Oh and lastly, while i remember, what version of disk manager did you get? i used 8.0 like the other guy, it may behave differently if you've got a newer release.
08-12-2008 11:09 PM - edited 08-12-2008 11:25 PM
Hi -- thanks for your incredibly fast answers. (Under an hour!) Here's where I come out:
As Mike-s suggested, I put the original drive back in. I can't see the hidden partition. (But I assume it's still there, as there's 6.7 gb of missing drive space.) And when I put the second (120 gb) into the disk caddy, Paragon doesn't see any hidden partitions, either. But one thing I noticed, when I was changing the partition size, is that during the operation, it said something about "*\" drive. So I think I lost the hidden partition during the resizing of the partition. Or maybe not. And I'm using the latest version of Paragon Hard Disk manager, 2008.
Which is why I'm inclined to agree with Bill's advice: The 120gb works, it's faster. (This is my old thinkpad, from 2002, that I've turned over to my wife.) I think I'm going to leave well enough alone. (And I agree that Lenovo should either provide recovery disks, or unhide them.) Equally important, I've got the old 40gb drive; it still works, I just wanted more space, and I decided I was pushing that drive in terms of life-expectency. I figure that If everything really went to hell with the new drive, (which I back up, anway,) I could always revert to the 40gb, load on the lost files, and then start all over again.
I just want to ask one last question: As it is, with all the service patches and everything else, XP - the cab files, etc - exists on the C: drive, anyway, right? (If you want to add features?) Does losing the hidden partition effect "change features" in XP? If it doesn't - and the hidden partition is really just for restoring the machine to the original state, then I really haven't lost anything by not having it. And if I want to sell the computer, (there's always a market for these things; I just sold a Toshiba satellite from 1997 on ebay), I could always put the 40gb back in, and run the factory recovery that still exists on the hidden partition there, and sell it as a clean machine.
Again, thanks for all your advice. And one final note: I really hated Ghost. It's typical Symantic softare: It starts 400 processes you don't want, hooks itself into starting automatically, doesn't offer any options to stop this, and basically degrades performance. I keep having this vision of Symantic programmers sitting around cackling: "The idiots will never be able to get this off the computer." They're evil. They just can't leave well enough alone; they always go too far.
Meanwhile, I'm back working on my other computer, which is a 7 month old 15.4" widescreen R61 with a 7200 rpm hard drive, discreet graphics, the camera, bluetooth, fingerprint reader and Vista ultimate. It's fantastic. (Yeah, on a clean install Vista works fine. I wouldn't upgrade. But on the other hand, I'd stay away from Office 2007 Seven months into it, I still dislike the ribbons in Word 2007 and think it's nowhere as good as Word 2003. Don't bother.)