Deciding which one to go for. T420s og T420. HELP PLZ

[andpgud]

Hi there. I have come to a final conclusion. I have picked those two and only need you to help me pull the trigger.
The t420s vs t420
They tell me that you can only put 8gb max in the S. Can you pyt 2 ram sticks in it?

Also those of you that have the t420 with a 9 cell battery. How many of you regret not getting the t420s?

THE T420
Örgjörvi: Intel Core i7 2640M 2,8-3,5GHz dual core 64bit
Lýsing: 4MB, 1333MHz, Intel QM67 m. iAMT, Turbo Boost 2.0, Hyper-Threading, VT-x, VT-d, Speedstep, AES, Intel64, DMI
Minni: 8GB (2x4GB) 1333MHz DDR3 minni (16GB mest), mjög hraðvirkt  
Skjár: 14,1" TFT HD+ LED  m. innbyggðri HD myndavél
Upplausn: 1600x900 punkta
Skjákort: nVIDIA Optimus tækni - 2 skjákort sem skipta sjálfvirkt á milli:
nVidia NVS4200 1GB og Intel HD graphics 3000, allt að 384MB.
Styður 3 skjái; innb. + 2 auka skjái
Diskur: 160GB Intel SSD, mjög hraðvirkur
Netkort: 10/1000 Ethernetkort og Bluetooth 3.0
WWAN: Innb. 3G módem, þarf SIM kort
Þráðlaust kort: Intel Centrino Advanced-N 6300 802.11 b/g/n 300Mb WIFI meðtveimur loftnetum
Drif: DVD-RW Multiburner drif í Ultrabayslim stæði
Rafhlaða: LiIon (9 sellu) m. allt að 15:00 klst hleðslu ,
Tekur auka 9 sellu rafhlöðu sem festist undir vélina (57Y4545, 15klst).
Tengi: 4x USB 2.0 (eitt með hleðslu), VGA, Displayport, eSATA, ethernet, Firewire
Kortaraufar: ExpressCard/34
Kortalesari: 4-1 (MMC, SD, SDHC, SDXC)
Öryggi: Innbyggður TPM öryggisörgjörvi, fingrafaralesari og smartkortalesari
Lyklaborð: eitt besta fartölvulyklaborðið á markaðnum, vökvaþolið
Lyklaborðsljós: lýsir upp lyklaborðið
Mús: UltraNav mýs; Trackpoint IV 4 hnappa mús, Snertimús - Multitouch
Ábyrgð: 3 ára alþjóðleg á vinnu og varahlutum, árs ábyrgð á rafhlöðu
Ábyrgð á diski: 5 ár og þarf ekki að skila inn viðbilun svo að trúnaðargögn fara ekki á flakk.
Byggingarefni: koltrefjablanda sem er gríðarlega sterk
Stærð: 340.5 x 233.0mm x 30.1-30.5mm, þyngd frá 2,13kg
Einstök kæling: ThinkPad hitnar minna og er hljóðlátari.  Betri fyrir Turbo Boost.
Stýrikerfi: Windows 7 Professional 64 bita

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THE T420S

Örgjörvi: Intel Core i5 2540M 2<(>,<)>6-3,3GHz dual core 64bit,,
Lýsing: 3MB, 1333MHz, Intel QM67 m. iAMT, Turbo Boost 2.0, Hyper-Threading, VT-x, VT-d, Speedstep, AES, Intel64, DMI,,
Minni: 1 x 4GB 1333MHz DDR3 minni (8GB mest), mjög hraðvirkt,,
Skjár: 14,1" TFT HD+ LED m. innbyggðri HD myndavél,,
Upplausn: 1600x900 punkta,,
Skjákort: Skjákort: nVIDIA Optimus tækni - 2 skjákort sem skipta sjálfvirkt á milli:
nVidia NVS4200 1GB og Intel HD graphics 3000, allt að 384MB.
Diskur: 160GB SSD Intel - mjög hraðvirkur (2,5"/7mm)
Netkort: 10/1000 Ethernetkort og Bluetooth 3.0,,
WWAN: innb. 3G módem, þarf SIM kort,,
Þráðlaust kort: Intel Centrino Ultimate-N 6300 802.11 g/n 300Mb WIFI með tveimur loftnetum,,
Drif: DVD-RW Multiburner drif í Ultrabayslim stæði,,
Rafhlaða: LiIon (6 sellu) m. allt að 5:30 klst hleðslu<(>,<)>,,
Tekur auka 3 sellu rafhlöðu sem fer í Ultrabay drifstæðið (,,4 klst)
Tengi: 2x USB 2.0 (eitt með hleðslu), 1 x USB 3.0, VGA, Displayport, ethernet,,
Kortaraufar: ExpressCard/34,,
Kortalesari: 4-1 (MMC, SD, SDHC, SDXC),,
Öryggi: Innbyggður TPM öryggisörgjörvi, fingrafaralesari og smartkortalesari,,
Lyklaborð: eitt besta fartölvulyklaborðið á markaðnum, vökvaþolið,,
Lyklaborðsljós: lýsir upp lyklaborðið,,
Mús: UltraNav mýs; Trackpoint IV 4 hnappa mús, Snertimús - Multitouch,,
Ábyrgð: 3 ára alþjóðleg á vinnu og varahlutum, árs ábyrgð á rafhlöðu ,,
Ábyrgð á diski: 5 ár og þarf ekki að skila inn viðbilun svo að trúnaðargögn fara ekki á flakk.,,
Byggingarefni: koltrefjablanda í loki, Magnesium í botni,,
Stærð: 343 x 230.1mm x 21.2-26.0mm, þyngd frá 1,67kg,,
Einstök kæling: ThinkPad hitnar minna og er hljóðlátari.,,

[tripplec]

Clearly your computer is broken and/or you are NOT reading this forum. The answer is clear on both models. DOA!!

[lead_org Microsoft MVP Contributor]

how is this is a DOA?

The person is asking for an opinion on which model is better.

[tripplec]

Yes and they are both duds. Problems on both platform models and troops unable to get their systems repaired.

The NVS 4200M graphics is a dog so if you need discrete graphics them buy and different system from someone else. You'll be much happerier. This chipset is slower than the Intel Graphics 3000 default. Really dumb engineering.

Hence both are DOA read the 420s issues with over heat and fan problems. Enough said.

[lead_org Microsoft MVP Contributor]

There are plenty of T420s and T420 that do work, so what you are saying is not valid.

Hundred of thousands of T420s and T420 are fielded around the world and not everyone of them have these problems. Out of the ten T420s i have tested, only one had this issue described in the forum.

Regarding, the Nvidia GPU performance, even if the performance isn't that spectacular, doesn't make it a DOA.

[tripplec]

Why is the fan heat issue unresolve for so many. You just have to read and look at the massive thread. With no help and no resolution for those affect even after some have sent it in for repair.

GPU performance is a joke in a system which should but is not state of the art in its class! The 5200M and 5400M are the most current in theNVS class this is very old chipset so why is it still ued in the newe motherboard.

Is Lenovo merely recylcying old motherboards and fitting them with Sandy Bridge CPU? Looks like that could be the case. No USB 3.0 which has been around for more than a year now either on any of these systems. All benemarks on the 4200M on notebook test site show its quite poor and less than the Nvidia 520M chipset. Dell uses the 550 and 555M on most performance systems. I looked and saw months ago.

You don't work for Lenovo. The fact and info are out there so you're not fooling anyone and certainly not me.

[andpgud]

They are maybe both DOA, but wich one is less DOA?
There is also one without the nvidia card. Should I maybe consider that? I ask because I have no experience regarding computer stuff, and this is what my boss is getting me. I just want to get the best out of it

[lead_org Microsoft MVP Contributor]

@tripplec,

Old motherboard? So care to tell us which machine these motherboards were recycled from?

Lenovo never used the NVS 4200m prior to the T420, T520 and T420s, so i am not sure which old motherboard it is recycled from.

Also, if you really got the facts and figures, then you would know that the T420s do have a usb 3.0 slot.

http://shop.lenovo.com/us/ww/pdf/T420s_datasheet.pdf

Finally, a point of reminder, the T series isn't a performance series, it is just mid range business laptop. W series is your performance series.

If you researched your argument, then you would know that the Dell Latitude E6420 and E6520 also used this GPU. These machines are comparable to the ThinkPad T series. Not the Dell Precision series. 

[jglathe]

Hi,

aside from the fan noise issue (which IS really irritating, for a business laptop costing €€€€), the T420s is a nice machine.

Keyboard quality is good, Screen quality is also good (usability is great). The deciding point for me was weight. I have a NV8PEGE, with i7-2640M, 160GB SSD, and 8GB of RAM. I would recommend to wipe the pre-installed image (after making a backup) and do a reinstall from scratch, though. A lot of the preinstalled software will only suck performance or is dangerously near to spyware, increasing the fan noise issue. I have left out a few of the ThinkVantage software gadgets, and I'm missing little. YMMV.

with best regards

Jens

[andpgud]

Sounds good. I think I will go with the t420 after all.
Its nice to have the battery life and also you can get the slice battery. That is rather sweet.