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Re: Bootloader Solution

2011-04-14, 17:38 PM

deemacgee wrote:

No. Fresh-off-disc Ubuntu on your laptop doesn't invalidate your warranty. Fresh-from-Google Android should not invalidate your warranty. Anything less is too much compromise.

If installing ubuntu required replacing the bios in your laptop, it would have voided the warranty. You are comparing apples and oranges.

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Re: Bootloader Solution

2011-04-14, 17:41 PM

Who said replace the bootloader (in your example, BIOS) completely?  There are many ways to solve this.  One of those is to replace the bootloader.  It is probably the most complex, difficult and expensive for Motorla though.  Why not just release the signing keys?  Why not just disable the checks (similar to dev phones)?

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Re: Bootloader Solution

2011-04-14, 17:50 PM

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It sounds like we are all on the same side, arguing about semantics.  These arguments are happening largely because of the distinction of software vs. hardware warranties.  I don't expect Moto, AT&T or anyone else to support my software (including soft bricks) once the bootloader is unlocked.  I _do_ expect them to support the hardware they sold me though.  If I have a hardware defect like a bad screen, USB port with a cold solder joint or some other problem that has nothing to do with software, I expect Motorola to step up and fix it under warranty.  Even if I have an unlocked bootloader.

The point I am trying to make is that I see no reason for Motorola to say: "You've got a choice: Hardware Warranty or Boot Loader."  They are two completely unrelated things.  I am positive though that the sofware warranty/support you receive would be invalidated immediately.

Overclocking is a red herring.  It is a hardware modification (done via software).  Just like software modifications invalidate your software warranty, hardware modifications invalidate your hardware waranty.  In the case of overclocking, you invalidate both your hardware and software warranties.  The overclocking argument does _not_ belong in a bootloader discussion though.  You can overclock regardless of the state of the bootloader.

Once you load 3rd party ROM or root your phone, you can start doing things with software which is out of the control of the manufacturer. How do you suggest that the manufacturer can detect the reason 100% accurately and cheaply and without requiring highly trained engineers at the service center when a person who fried his components due to, lets say overclocking, goes to replace his device under warranty?

While the USB port example problem you described clearly can not be caused by software, manufacturers do not have warranties for each component sepearately because it would be simply too complicated or perhaps the heat from overclocking actually caused it? There are complicated relations between hardware and software. Unless of course you have an easy way to determine the real cause of a hardware failure?

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Re: Bootloader Solution

2011-04-14, 17:50 PM

The bootloader doesn't need to be replaced per se, it just needs to allow unsigned ROMs to be loaded...

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Re: Bootloader Solution

2011-04-14, 18:00 PM

lorimer wrote:

Who said replace the bootloader (in your example, BIOS) completely?  There are many ways to solve this.  One of those is to replace the bootloader.  It is probably the most complex, difficult and expensive for Motorla though.  Why not just release the signing keys?  Why not just disable the checks (similar to dev phones)?

It was an answer to the Ubuntu example. Installing Ubuntu to your PC is simply not the same thing as installing a 3rd party ROM to your mobile phone. You dont hear people bricking their computer while installing Ubuntu eh? But that can happen when trying to install a 3rd party ROM to your phone. So... simply put, apples and oranges...

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Re: Bootloader Solution

2011-04-14, 18:18 PM

God who cares. Bootloader is the issue

On Apr 14, 2011 2:00 PM, "yurtesen" <motorola-mobile@hosted.jivesoftware.com

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Re: Bootloader Solution

2011-04-14, 18:24 PM

sdlopez83 wrote:

God who cares.   Bootloader is the issue

On Apr 14, 2011 2:00 PM, "yurtesen" <motorola-mobile@hosted.jivesoftware.com

If I was a Motorola, and if I knew that after I unlock the bootloader, people will start complaining that it voids warranty. I would simply not unlock it at first place since it would just stir things up even more. So well, you should be caring... (of course only if you are interested in getting the bootloader unlocked?)

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Re: Bootloader Solution

2011-04-14, 18:29 PM

About the bickering. Not directed at you specifically. Why can't they tell

us if they will or wont Mark? What's the issue.?

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Re: Bootloader Solution

2011-04-14, 20:26 PM

I'll bet it's because someone at AT&T or higher up in the company got wind of this that all of their "advertising partners" like Blockbuster, Yellow Pages, or AT&T (Blockbuster app, AT&T-specific applications, etc) and realized that users could remove what they'd paid to have put on the phones. Now Motorola doesn't want to fess up that this isn't going to happen. Of course it'll be a moot point when the bootloader is hacked open, sooner or later.

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Re: Bootloader Solution

2011-04-14, 20:28 PM

But you could simply uninstall all that on stock rom.

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