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Re: Bootloader Solution

2011-04-16, 17:01 PM

That is one way of putting it. I agree and feel the same. COLOSSAL mistake

moto when your already on the ropes. Bout to get knocked out Motorola

mobility.

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Re: Bootloader Solution

2011-04-16, 17:05 PM

Against better judgement I held on to the Atrix hoping for a bootloader solution, but now I really want to return my Atrix for a good phone.  I demand Motorola give me a refund since they lied and strung me along this whole time. I no longer want the Atrix or anything to do with Motorola. I want my money back in exchange for this --implied profanity removed-- Atrix.

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Re: Bootloader Solution

2011-04-16, 18:46 PM

yurtesen wrote:

I am not on payrol, just being reasonable. I didnt say that I am happy with Motorola locking bootloaders now, did I?  What I am saying is that if you are modifying your phone to work beyond manufacturer's settings then you should accept loosing the warranty. Is it what you are disagreeing with?

Of course the car example is not a very good example, because the car components work more or less independently and also easy enough to replace independently, that is how car manufacturers can give seperate warranties for seperate components.(when did you hear a phone's screen had 3 years warranty and keypad had 1 year etc.?) Sure enough, one can easily make the connection that re-flashing ECU can not damage wipers, but when your phone's CPU is burned, how will they establish what caused it exactly? and they cant just change the CPU now right? (while they could replace the windscreen wiper engine easily). Besides you cant just plug your car to the USB port of computer and mess with it, you often have to take it to somebody who has at least some knowledge of what he is doing...

In either case, apples and oranges as usual. Perhaps best comparison is to compare with other mobile phone manufacturers. Which one still provides warranty if you flash a 3rd party firmware? If this was such a reasonable thing to do, wouldnt you agree that at least one company would agree to such and advertise this fact for gaining larger customer base?

Until today, loosing warranty if you modify firmware was generally accepted as far as I know... now you wouldnt accept freeing the bootloader unless if warranty stays... Isnt it taking this fight a little bit too far? Please be a litlte bir reasonable?

Very well put. 

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Re: Bootloader Solution

2011-04-17, 2:14 AM

What's so unreasonable about wanting to run ANDROID on an ANDROID PHONE?

I've yet to hear anyone give me a really compelling answer.

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Re: Bootloader Solution

2011-04-17, 3:18 AM

Planned Obsolescence. The exact sub-type would probably be Perceived Obsolescence.

There once was an appliance company who made products so good that their customers rarely had to replace them.  They went out of business. Other companies learned from that mistake and made appliances designed to wear out after just a few years, creating the need to replace them more frequently.

Perceived Obsolescence is when the advertising is so intense that the NEED for the product is created, even if your current item is still perfectly okay.  Sammy, Moto and HTC are creating the need for the next-best-thing that you can only get from them.

With a locked bootloader, you're always stuck getting the next-best-thing because update support will end and higher tech items will be readily available for immediate purchase.

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Re: Bootloader Solution

2011-04-17, 3:27 AM

Believe I used the same phrase before .  You are absolutely right.

I spoke to a tech rep that said that there is information that reps cannot

tell the clients which says so in there computer screens while on the call

about certain phones.  He also told me that there is no hsupa update coming

out on the phones that he knew of.  he would know if there where. Also told

me he know that they where capped.  Reason was that they do not want 4G

phones interrupting 3g bandwidth.

He then went on saying that all phones from here on in will be locked down.

They do not want us hacking the phones anymore.

So no HSUPA on this phone.  I don't know what to do anymore.  return it, get

an inspire which is unlocked already and have less of a phone?  This is

utter --profanity removed--.  How can they get away with this.

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Re: Bootloader Solution

2011-04-17, 3:51 AM

sdlopez83 wrote:

Believe I used the same phrase before .  You are absolutely right.

I spoke to a tech rep that said that there is information that reps cannot

tell the clients which says so in there computer screens while on the call

about certain phones.  He also told me that there is no hsupa update coming

out on the phones that he knew of.  he would know if there where. Also told

me he know that they where capped.  Reason was that they do not want 4G

phones interrupting 3g bandwidth.

He then went on saying that all phones from here on in will be locked down.

They do not want us hacking the phones anymore.

So no HSUPA on this phone.  I don't know what to do anymore.  return it, get

an inspire which is unlocked already and have less of a phone?  This is

utter --profanity removed--.  How can they get away with this.

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The rep you spoke to was a moron then. We're getting HSUPA this month. And there has been no confirmation on any new devices being locked down.

'4G phones interupting the 3G bandwidth'? That's utter bullcrap. The rep was taking you for a ride, or he's seriously misinformed.

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-19736_7-20047264-251.html

There you go. It came from AT&T that we're getting HSUPA.

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Re: Bootloader Solution

2011-04-17, 4:02 AM

Was not reg rep was a tech. Knew his stuff at least better than a reg rep.

And why else would AT&T  cap other phones? They don't want there iphones to

lose precious bandwidth.  Not confirmed but he's saying it and im just

reporting back. Makes sense that they would want that.  This would go along

with the notion of planned obsolecense; Which is the reason I posted this

from the beginning. Only ride I've been taken on was buying this piece of

--profanity removed-- capped and locked down garbage from the giddyup.

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Re: Bootloader Solution

2011-04-17, 4:08 AM

sdlopez83 wrote:

Was not reg rep was a tech. Knew his stuff at least better than a reg rep.

And why else would AT&T  cap other phones? They don't want there iphones to

lose precious bandwidth.  Not confirmed but he's saying it and im just

reporting back. Makes sense that they would want that.  This would go along

with the notion of planned obsolecense; Which is the reason I posted this

from the beginning. Only ride I've been taken on was buying this piece of

--profanity removed-- capped and locked down garbage from the giddyup.

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AT&T would suffer huge backlash if they didn't enable it like promised. It doesn't matter what the person calls himself or what his title his. He's wrong. Here's some more sources for you, if the CNet wasn't enough:

http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/25/atandt-says-atrix-4g-inspire-4g-will-have-hsupa-enabled-in-april/

http://www.droidmatters.com/news/att-claims-updates-coming-in-april-to-hsupa-for-4g-phones/

Also, AT&T sent a request to the FCC to enable HSUPA on our devices.

http://phandroid.com/2011/03/25/fcc-documents-show-forthcoming-hsupa-capability-on-inspire-4g/


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Re: Bootloader Solution

2011-04-17, 10:11 AM

Why dont you buy a product from another brand if you dont like Motorola's behaviour against their customers? I think it is pretty simple to see that as long as people are buying their products, Motorola will not care about what you write into forum here...

Besides, if you avoided Motorola, you wouldnt have been here wasting your time in the forum arguing about what Motorola should do...

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