Lenovo, good displays exists [ Edited ]

[Puppy]

Hi Lenovo,

check this http://www.notebookcheck.net/Microsoft-Surface-Book-Core-i7-940M-Convertible-Review.160679.0.html

13.5 inch 3:2, 3000x2000
Contrast: 1752:1
Screen flickering / PWM not detected

100 percent sRGB color, individually calibrated

64% AdobeRGB

Model: Panasonic VVX14P048M00

Do you realize that ? No room for excuses.

[ibmthink]

How is this of relevance in this forum? A 13.5" panel, custom ordered by Microsoft specifically for the Surface book. This does not exist as a "normal" panel. Probably they also have this panel exclusively for the Surface Book.

[Puppy]

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ibmthink wrote:

How is this of relevance in this forum? A 13.5" panel, custom ordered by Microsoft specifically for the Surface book. This does not exist as a "normal" panel. Probably they also have this panel exclusively for the Surface Book.

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Yes, exclusively. Still no hint ?

[harrisb]

The ideal panel for our laptops is most likely one that will use OLED technology. LG has released large panel TVs (55", 65") into the market this year, so it seems more likely than not. Right now, we have to live with compromise with regard to black levels.

[p600]

Yeah, the ideal panel for my laptop would be 5:4 32" OLED 4K matte screen, with 100%+ AdobeRGB coverage. Or better yet, two of them. Then I can finally stop using those silly and bulky external monitors, that don't even run on battery.

[p600]

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Yes, exclusively. Still no hint ?

Microsoft can sell hardware even at loss. For a long time. It's their side business.

Lenovo probably can't. And glossy 3:2 screen in a Thinkpad? Meh.

[tk-don]

I don't get why you're all shooting the messenger. It is a completely valid point, namely that the screen in the Surface Book is excellent, and rates much better than the screen in any Lenovo laptop. I.e. the technology exists.

It does NOT matter if a screen is custom ordered by Microsoft. Dell always customs orders, or at least used to - and had their own LVDS pinouts. Lenovo also used to custom order - the HV150UX1-102 was specifically developed for Lenovo, so was the HV150P01-100.

And no, a good FHD/4k panel does not cost a lot of money in huge quantities like the P50 are built in. But if Lenovo accepts low-grade batches, which it appears as if they do, they'll save $$$. This is unheard of and completely unacceptable on a P50/P70. It is an expensive laptop and they are not losing money at all, based on what the base build cost+the surcharge for their upgrades. Microsoft are not losing money either per unit (unless they won't sell)

[p600]

Surface Book is a small & quite underpowered device to compare to P50 and alike, making it any component comparisons unfair. Lenovo now produces X1 Yoga, in a similar category to Surface Pro book, with OLED screen in it. Whether it's as good, or better, or worse - it will be soon clear.

But comparing that Surface screen to workstations is rather pointless. For example, being myself a very happy Surface 3 Pro user for a few years (and I tried the new model & Pro too), I can attest that the screens are quite good for what they are. But when it comes to all these pixel numbers, aspect ratios, AdobeRGBs and the eventual productivity, still, the 16:9! 1080p! TN! screen in W520 was better for pretty much kind of application, including editing videos & pictures on the go etc. Simply because it's twice the size, because the CPU can actually handle 1080p video editing, and because can see the picture and not my reflection in that picture. Haven't seen the P50 4K one, but 4K screen in P70 is just incomparably better than any 12-13.5" glossy screen. But not anywhere near as good as an external 4K monitor

[Puppy]

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tk-don wrote:

I don't get why you're all shooting the messenger. It is a completely valid point, namely that the screen in the Surface Book is excellent, and rates much better than the screen in any Lenovo laptop. I.e. the technology exists.

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Lenovo is tricking customers again http://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-ThinkPad-T560-Core-i5-SSHD-Ultrabook-Review.159119.0.html

An entry-level low color space coverage IPS display is not enough in a 1500 EUR laptop. Again, competition is able to provide proper display parameters matching the price tag.

[p600]

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Puppy wrote:

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1500 EUR laptop. Again, competition is able to provide proper display

This is only about crazy Lenovo prices in Europe. In the US, before coupons & discounts, T560 can be bought for half that, and Dell XPS, while excellent, is more consumer-oriented laptop. 

Sure, consumers probably care more about colorful screens (even if glossy, high contrast!) than business customers. Who care about many other things, and maybe even IPS is often a requirement now, but I suspect that % coverage of Adobe RGB when viewing yet another Excel spreadsheet is somewhere very  low on the list of things that Lenovo's customers actually care about, and want to pay extra $20 for.