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Moving on from Thinkpads...

2014-03-08, 5:31 AM

After owning 4 Thinkpads starting with a T20 up to the current W701 I'm using now, it appears I'm moving on. I bought a machine that has the proper port configuration (2 USB 3.0, 2 Thunderbolt2), HDMI, Wireless a/b/g/n/c, latest i7 quad core chip, SDXC slot and some more options. IPS display, Nvidia 750M 2GB, 16GB RAM, 1TB SSD, and weighs about 4.5 lbs. Against a W540, this laptop's only "weak" spot is it won't take 32GB RAM, and has no numeric pad (which I don't use anyway).  And it costs less than W540. Runs two totally different operating systems, too.

 

You can probably guess what it is. Sorry to say, Thinkpads are a shadow of what they used be when the IBM logo was on 'em. That's a fact. My W701 continues to work great, as does my much older T60P. Hoping the new addition does the same.

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Re: Moving on from Thinkpads...

2014-03-08, 6:26 AM

Without the traditional keyboard, the ThinkLight, quick-change UltraBays, and three-button TrackPoint, I think we're entering a new era for the W-series. Lenovo is making money but the soul of the old machines is almost gone.

 

One thing you may have experienced with your "other" product: did they negotiate with you on the price? I couldn't get Dell or HP to budge when I was shopping for comparison. The Lenovo sales team is usually willing to discuss the price and configuration of the package you want.

What's on your Thinkpad? T42 2379-R9U, T61 6460-DWU, W530 2436
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Re: Moving on from Thinkpads...

2014-03-08, 17:49 PM

There is little price negotiation on Macbook Pro's.  But for the money, I'm getting a properly configured machine that has everything we would like to have seen in the new Thinkpad W series. Lenovo needs to pay much closer attention to the "other guy" in the ring. 

 

1. Two USB 2.0 ports? Why any USB 2.0 ports at all? Should be couple of USB 3.0 ports and done.

2. A single Thunderbolt port? At least make it Thunderbolt 2 - and double up on that for future versatility

3. A VGA port? This is startling. Still stuck in the 80's & 90's here. I haven't used a VGA cord in a decade. 

4. SSD should now be standard starting point - not spinners. Lenovo charges extra for SSD as main drive

5. Weighs in at 5.4 lbs vs. 4.5 lbs for competing MBPr.

6. Ability to support OS X and Win 7/8 simultaneously... this is actually a big deal for me in graphics work.

 

I will say the MBPr's keyboard is not that great, but the Thinkpad has lost its once best-in-class keyboard and features. And I use an external keyboard most of the time anyway.

 

Other's mileage may vary, but if Lenovo can wake up and start designing cutting edge laptops for professionals, things may turn around.  Otherwise, Lenovo is just another commodity laptop assembler.

 

 

 

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Re: Moving on from Thinkpads...

2014-03-09, 3:20 AM

@Grayslake:

 

The only point where I'd disagree with you is the one regarding a VGA port. It's still used very widely, even in serious corporate settings.

 

There were two things that prevented me from moving to Mac (while I have moved away from newThinkPads) : the keyboard and lack of onsite support... 

 

Hope your new MacBook serves you well.

 

Good luck.

Cheers,

George




In daily use: R60F, R500F, T61, T410

Collecting dust: T60

Enjoying retirement: A31p, T42p,

Non-ThinkPads: Panasonic CF-31 & CF-52, HP 8760W




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Re: Moving on from Thinkpads...

2014-03-09, 4:24 AM

3. A VGA port? This is startling. Still stuck in the 80's & 90's here. I haven't used a VGA cord in a decade.

I really miss having a VGA port now that I've moved from ThinkPads to a Yoga 2 Pro. I live in fear that my micro-HDMI to VGA adapter will die in the middle of a presentation. Or that I'll arrive at a customer site and realize I've left the adapter at home.

 

My experience is that in corporate conference rooms and training rooms, anything other than a VGA connector is extremely rare. I can't remember the last time I saw anything but VGA.

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2014-03-09, 5:27 AM

Completely understand those who still want VGA port. Nearly all conference room projectors still have it, but I have yet to work with one that doesn't have at least a DVI and/or HDMI port, too. I always use the digital connections, but others may not.

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Re: Moving on from Thinkpads...

2014-03-09, 15:57 PM
You are lucky if most of the time the projector is easily accessible. My normal situation is the projector is mounted to the ceiling and they ran only a VGA cable through the ceiling/walls to the podium. Even if I carried a bunch of long cables with me and the projector had a matching connector, it would be pretty awkward for me to install one.

I'll be happy when VGA is gone...that day still seems like a long way away to me.
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Re: Moving on from Thinkpads...

2014-03-09, 18:23 PM

That's a good point you make. Not all projectors are easily accessible and given IT departments' sloth in keeping equipment (and connection cables) up to date, VGA is "always there".  Wireless is also becoming a connection option on the higher end projectors, but not prevalent.

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Re: Moving on from Thinkpads...

2014-03-09, 22:07 PM

wrote:

After owning 4 Thinkpads starting with a T20 up to the current W701 I'm using now, it appears I'm moving on. I bought a machine that has the proper port configuration (2 USB 3.0, 2 Thunderbolt2), HDMI, Wireless a/b/g/n/c, latest i7 quad core chip, SDXC slot and some more options. IPS display, Nvidia 750M 2GB, 16GB RAM, 1TB SSD, and weighs about 4.5 lbs. Against a W540, this laptop's only "weak" spot is it won't take 32GB RAM, and has no numeric pad (which I don't use anyway).  And it costs less than W540. Runs two totally different operating systems, too.

 

You can probably guess what it is. Sorry to say, Thinkpads are a shadow of what they used be when the IBM logo was on 'em. That's a fact. My W701 continues to work great, as does my much older T60P. Hoping the new addition does the same.


I agree that the W540 is far from what it could have been, but at least for me even in the current form is better that the MBP retina. If you do any video editing then when rendering the rMBP performs no faster than a mobile dual core i7 because of throttling. 

After getting a 8770w I can say with confidence that neither rMBP nor W540 can be considered as workstations. 

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Re: Moving on from Thinkpads...

2014-03-10, 15:17 PM
Most beamers and monitors still have VGA. Specially beamers. Haven't seen a single beamer with HDMI or DVI yet. On a pricewatch maybe yes, but one that's in use ? No.

It's time to move on from VGA. I prefer HDMI.

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Jonas Hendrickx

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