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Re: WWAN and wireless card BIOS whitelists? Lenovo, COME ON.

2013-06-04, 0:38 AM
Of course I agree with you. You can buy an Asus or Samsung, and you have no issues like this, but you still have a warranty. I`m just so desperate that I`m willing to void anything, just to be able to use one of my new wifi-cards. I do have wifi on the broadcom-card, but it`s not good enough in Linux. With lots of manual configuration I get it to work, but only at 65 Mb/s. My new cards should manage 300 Mb/s..., and be a lot easier to configure in Linux.
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Re: WWAN and wireless card BIOS whitelists? Lenovo, COME ON.

2013-06-04, 19:00 PM

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Re: WWAN and wireless card BIOS whitelists? Lenovo, COME ON

2013-06-04, 19:28 PM

Please help me with my issue. I have commented in another topic, but I have a feeling that it will go nowhere.

 

Can you give a straight forward answer to my issue?

Can or will Lenovo develop and release a Bios sub-version that is free of HW limitations?

 

I am desperate, begging, pleading for some help here.

 

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Re: WWAN and wireless card BIOS whitelists? Lenovo, COME ON

2013-06-04, 21:59 PM

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Can you give a straight forward answer to my issue?

Can or will Lenovo develop and release a Bios sub-version that is free of HW limitations?

 

I am desperate, begging, pleading for some help here.

 

Moderator Note; subject edited; post merged in. Was; Mark_Lenovo or any other top level employee. WLAN HELP!


Maybe you should actually read the forum guidelines, particularly this statement:

 

"While members from Lenovo may participate at intervals to engage in the discussions and offer advice and suggestions, this forum is not designed as a dedicated and staffed support channel. This is an informal and public forum, and Lenovo does not guarantee the accuracy of information and advice posted here..."

 

I"m not ragging on you. I'm just pointing out the obvious. So, in answer to both of your questions, no they will not.

 

I feel your pain. If you read any of my previous posts, I have the same "issue". What's so frustrating is, even though I could upgrade my machine to a "better" wireless card on their whitelist, I can't buy one. Not through Lenovo, or any other outlet. That's the shameful part of my "Lenovo Enhanced Experience"

 

On the other hand, the wireless card they gave me in this Y470, works great. It's only a 802.11 BGN, with one 2.4 GHz band, but I receive a good connection at 144 Mbps throughout my abode. Even though I want a dual band card, I don't really need one.

 

Caveat Emptor

 

"Maybe its time to post a list of MFG's that do not [mod edit] (whitelist specific) their customers. Yes Apple is very expensive, but I must say that I have never been [mod edit]  by them with any ridiculous limitations."

 

There IS a list. You should have Googled "Lenovo whitelist" before you bought your E530. You would have seen all of the posts regarding Lenovo whitelisting their BIOS.

 

Your "complaint" has been registered. Don't waste any more of your time, and expletives deleted manners, in this forum. It's not productive, and will not "solve" a non-problem. But, hey der... It's your dime. You can keep playing the same tune until the cows come home. The answer will still be NO.

 

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Re: WWAN and wireless card BIOS whitelists? Lenovo, COME ON

2013-06-04, 22:40 PM
lol. That`s really funny. But I can give him a list of those that uses whitelist to limit their users in improving their pc`s. The list is as follows, Lenovo, HP, Dell and Toshiba. That`s it... Buy a Asus, Acer, Samsung and you`re fine...Samsung is also probably the very best laptops...
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Re: WWAN and wireless card BIOS whitelists? Lenovo, COME ON

2013-06-05, 3:16 AM

You can add Panasonic to the list of manufacturers with "whitelisted" cards.

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Re: WWAN and wireless card BIOS whitelists? Lenovo, COME ON

2013-06-05, 10:54 AM

Hello,

 

Just as a suggestion, if this is something you feel strongly about, I think you really need to directly reach out to your country's Lenovo office.  I've tried to explain how it works from my own experience working in the hardware field, but I obviously am not a Lenovo employee and cannot speak towards their business policies.

 

As DragonOak noted, this is pretty much a user-to-user technical support forum, and I seriously doubt there's anyone here on the Lenovo side who's capable of addressing policy-type questions such as the ones which are being brought up in this message thread.  That is probably the best way for you to get an answer.

 

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Re: WWAN and wireless card BIOS whitelists? Lenovo, COME ON

2013-06-05, 15:52 PM
Of course you are 100% correct. This issue has been adressed with Lenovo for so long that it`s highly unlikely that they will change this provocing policy. But we need to vent, and we need to get the word out, so that other people might avoid getting the same problems as us, by not buying anything from a company that restrains the users with whitelists. If it was a blacklist with some incompatible cards we all would have understood it.Instead it`s a whitelist with just a couple of cards accepted, all cards that are yesterdays technology. Some of us like to be in front, but obviously not Lenovo..
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Re: WWAN and wireless card BIOS whitelists? Lenovo, COME ON

2013-06-05, 21:01 PM

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As DragonOak noted, this is pretty much a user-to-user technical support forum, and I seriously doubt there's anyone here on the Lenovo side who's capable of addressing policy-type questions such as the ones which are being brought up in this message thread.  That is probably the best way for you to get an answer.


Hello,

 

I think that the issue can not be resolved at local Lenovo offices. These offices would forward it to appropriate Lenovo (global) person anyway. Since this forum is global, why is that complicated to forward the thread to the appropriate Lenovo person directly now ?

 

An article on Lenovo Blog could explain it or start a dialog with customers. I remember there were such http://blog.lenovo.com/design/thinkpad-t400s-key-to-a-better-experience

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I'm absolutely fuming!

2013-06-24, 11:34 AM

Hi Guy's,

 

Hope you're all doing well.

 

I have to date: IBM T23, IBM T or X 40 (can't quite remember), T60, T61 (with its Nvidia burn out issue) and just last December bought a Y580.

 

I work from home but still need to be mobile, so you can imagine; problems with my hardware can be quite upsetting. That being said, I have stayed with IBM/Lenovo just for the ease of having a bit of experience over the years with their hardware and a sense of knowing where I stand as it were, but I really feel sorry for everyone here, as they have to listen to stupid comments like "you should have Googled Lenovo white-listing, before you purchased your laptop". Are you kidding me! How was any of us to know this was going to be a problem until it was one, because Lenovo never put anything in the documentation to warn of this that I can remember??.....

 

I've had nothing but grief with my Y580, it crashes all the time with a memory management error. It doesn't even take 16GB! and was a flagship model for last year. REALLY! I paid £850 for this THING! I say thing because what can you call something that doesn't even do something as simple as 5ghz wireless - in 2013.... Wow that's poor.

 

If it is about FCC then why is not all the other Intel cards on the bloody white-list, this sounds like a warranty protection cop out, which still doesn't give Lenovo the right to tell me what mini-PCI (industry standard) device I can add to my bought and paid for laptop. It's like fords telling me I can only put certain makes of wheels on my car because of wheel safety legislation. Do me a favour.

 

I don't remember having any of these issues with my IBM T23, it was quite happy to have me put all sorts in it!

 

I just bought a ASUS RT-66u (I believe) and wanted to switch over to a 5ghz for my work connection, leaving everyone else in my household on the 2.4ghz. OK so my laptop came with a crappy Intel N2200 card - no problem I thought, I bought a N6300 and now I read everywhere that in order for this to work, I need to flash a homebrewed BIOS??!!

 

What am I going to do when wireless ac takes over, say around the end of this year! What buy another Lenovo! I don't think so. This is when companies kill themselves off, people like us who have been ploughing money into an agreement of sorts. Lenovo provide us hardware we can use and we pay for that hardware plus a mark-up - everyone's a winner. Not anymore it seems, we are now walking down a very one way street. ASUS has only had the opportunity to explode their market beyond motherboards because of these types of practise. I love my Padfone 2 and maybe that's the answer to this problem.... I bought a laptop from the wrong company....

 

So sad...

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