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Re: Is white listing illegal anywhere?

2013-07-04, 22:07 PM

Finally someone else is talking sense, I ask Lenovo for and explanation and they advise on how to change settings in Internet Explorer - So there support doesn't even know about!

 

What change did we have!

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Re: Is white listing illegal anywhere?

2013-07-04, 23:04 PM

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I ask Lenovo for and explanation and they advise on how to change settings in Internet Explorer


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Re: Is white listing illegal anywhere?

2013-07-05, 3:48 AM

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Well my T23 doesn't tell me what I can and can't put in it?

 

I'm confused why people think to justify this practice, do they think Lenovo is reading this and will give them a new computer for carrying the torch!!??

 

 


Funny you should mention T23. That was the last generation of ThinkPads before the IBM introduced the "whitelisting" practice on T30, A31/p and other P4M units. Back then, there was a simple "no-1802" hack that worked on all models up to T43. From that point on, a modded BIOS was required.

I don't believe that anyone around here is actually defending the practice per se. But it IS a fact of life which is higly unlikely to change. Having done more than my fair share of complaining about it over the past decade, I really have nothing new to offer, apart from what I've already stated in this thread...

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Re: Is white listing illegal anywhere?

2013-07-05, 13:18 PM

For someone that's known about this for years, you haven't managed to come up with any real useful or even remotely helpful information. I don't mean to be blunt, but If I wanted a simple "that's the way it is" or even instructions on how to change settings in IE - I would have asked Lenovo.. Oh wait a minute I did!

 

I'm going to try (TX2-RTL8191SE-L). this is another FCC ID for the N6205 - I'll try that in my L412 and Y580, see what happens.

 

Right. So after digging a little deeper I came across the below PDF, It does stipulate that only authorised cards are permitted and that you will receive the errors, when adding unauthorised cards. So why was this not present in BIG BOLD LETTERS within the user guide.. I wonder.

 

http://download.lenovo.com/pccbbs/mobiles_pdf/45m2269.pdf  

 

According to this; FCC and IC rules apply - but I'm in the UK and ofcom isn't fussed if we eradiate ourselves with a dodgy 3rd party card. Again this leaves me confused, as all Intel cards are FCC approved especially the N6205 and N6300?

 

In conclusion it just comes back to the first question everyone here wants an answer to. Why are Lenovo enforcing or maybe just using FCC rulings/guidelines, to either keep support and warranty claims smaller and/or force us to buy a new machine every time the wireless standard changes. Either way it's not explained properly and seems a very dubious practice.   

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Re: Is white listing illegal anywhere?

2013-07-06, 3:27 AM

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For someone that's known about this for years, you haven't managed to come up with any real useful or even remotely helpful information. I don't mean to be blunt, but If I wanted a simple "that's the way it is" or even instructions on how to change settings in IE - I would have asked Lenovo.. Oh wait a minute I did!

 


What *exactly* did you expect? From someone who is no more in a position to change anything regarding the whitelists than yourself...

 

If you need a modded BIOS for your particular machine, there are sites that deal with such offerings, I'm not about to post the links on Lenovo's own forum.

 

I understand that you don't like the answers I've provided, but the situation is really very simple. Here are the options, once again:

 

a) Use your laptop "as-is".

 

b) Flash a modded BIOS if one is available for your model. If it's not, you can ask for it to be made on one of the sites that I was referring to.

 

c) Sell it and buy a notebook from a manufacturer that doesn't implement the whitelisting practice.

 

If you come up with something I've missed, I'll be around and willing to listen.

 

Good luck.

 

 

Cheers,

George




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Re: Is white listing illegal anywhere?

2013-07-06, 10:39 AM

I don't expect Lenovo will change the policy but I would expect an official answer. Why ? Premium support for premium price.

 

Lesson learned "How big companies communicate with their small customers". In the age of tons of "social" media crap.

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Re: Is white listing illegal anywhere?

2013-07-06, 11:14 AM
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I don't work for Lenovo
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Re: Is white listing illegal anywhere?

2013-07-06, 13:14 PM

I have found a potential workaround; I bought a new 7mm Samsung hard drive.  I was going to buy a new msata drive, but I didn't want the mechanical drive that my refurb. Twist came with.  Then I got to thinking, if you can put in ANY masata drive, maybe the whitelist doesn't actually BAN other cards, may be it just REQUIRES that the authorized card be present in order to boot.  So why not install the new card into the slot where the original msata drive was?  I installed an Intel 6235, and the computer booted right up!  The Intel card is seen by the bios, and now to simply disable the original card in the bios.   The only thing is I have to swap the cards because there are no antennas present for the other card.  Also, the card is a half height card so you'll need a bracket to make the new card fit. 

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Re: Is white listing illegal anywhere?

2013-07-06, 22:28 PM
Sorry. Not good enough.This is a mather of principles. If I wanted to find a workaround, I would have done that. I also can afford to buy an Asus laptop, so my representation on this forum is only a pointless attemp to get Lenovo to come to their senses...
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12-07-2012

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There doesn't seem to be an official Lenovo presence here!

2013-07-06, 23:18 PM

But unfortunately there doesn't seem to be an official Lenovo presence here.

 

Despite this web site's URL ending in lenovo.com, the only people who seem to comment (usefully) are users, some of whom try to help the others as best they can, but they cannot work miracles and they do not speak for Lenovo and they certainly should not be blamed for Lenovo's faults.

 

I, for one, am grateful to those who try to help. Thank you!!!!

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