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V570c Laptop higher clock memory BSOD issues

2018-01-18, 5:05 AM

Good day there!

Have V570c laptop which has onboard:
i5-2430M (which support up to DDR3 1066/1333 according to ark intel com)
Intel Sandy Bridge
Intel HM65 (which support up to DDR3 1333 according to some diagnostic software)
All this runs under latest BIOS version (44CN43WW)

Have two
DDR3 4GB PC3 - 12800 SODIM GOODRAM (WILK ELEKTRONIK S.A.)
Which system runs at DDR3-1600 , i.e. 800MHz clock.
So motherboard runs memory at clock speed which is higher than both CPU and Motherboard support.

Laptop experience folowing issues:
Everything goes fine with 32bit OS with both memory modules installed. (XP-32, 7-32  ) Even invisible memory is accessible via 4GB virtual drive located in "invisible memory" region with pagefile on that drive. Both GPU devices work fine, integrated Intel and NVidia 410M.

Installing 64bit OS (7-64, 8.1-64, 10-64) with both memory modules causes very frequent BSODs.
single module = almost no BSODs

Both modules tested at both memory slots separately(each one module at each one slot) with MEMTEST86+ at about 4h witn 0 errors.
Running MEMTEST86+ with both modules installed causes blackscreen in 10+ minutes running test.

Running 64Bit OS with one of these two DDR3-1600 modules and one DDR3-1333 module seems OK, dual channel mode. No errors.

Any suggestions?
Any ideas how to force system to run memory at DDR3-1333 mode?

 

Mod's Edit: System model number corrected in Subject line to improve visibility / clarity.

 

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Re: V570c Laptop higher clock memory BSOD issues

2018-01-18, 16:18 PM

A 32 bit OS will only use 4GB max. If you have two 4gb installed, second 4GB is not used. Software tools will show it is installed.

 

Your machine specs are DDR3 800,1066,1333 transfer rates. Hardware maintenance manual shows ALL OEM memory as DDR3 1333. 

DDR3 1333 is PC3-10600 spec.

DDR3 1600 is PC3-12800 spec <This is your Goodram memory. 

 

Your BIOS/CHIPset can handle the 1600 Goodram in slot 1.  It should downclock to 1333. The error/problem occurs with added 1600 Goodram in slot 2. Memtest 86 just stopped.

 

If you have 1333 memory in slot 1 and 1600 memory in slot 2 all works. If you put 1600 memory in slot1 and 1333 in slot 2, I would expect failure.

 

In  summary, your machine cannot handle memory above 1333.

You could provide the part numbers of all your 3 memories.

Note your spec is 1.5 volts. Putting in dual voltage can also cause issues.

 

http://www.goodram.com/product/ram-modules/goodram-ddr3/

Click on the technical specs option(middle selection) to see parts offered. 

 

In summary, install 1333  1.5V memory in each slot to comply with specs.

 

Your Dram frequency is ~666.5 MHZ.

Download CPUZ from here:

https://www.cpuid.com/softwares/cpu-z.html

The memory tab and SPD tab will show attributes of your memory.

 

 

 

 

 

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Re: V570c Laptop higher clock memory BSOD issues

2018-01-19, 0:41 AM

Sorry, seems I had to write something like
INB4: "Have you tried to turn your PC off and then turn it on?"

Dear mr. sclexman , either you think I understood something wrong on situation or you read my post unattentively.
Anyway, thank you very much for your attention and your answer.

Now to what you wrote.
>Your BIOS/CHIPset can handle the 1600 Goodram in slot 1.  It should downclock to 1333.
>Your Dram frequency is ~666.5 MHZ.
Wrong. My DRAM frequency is ~800MHz, CPU-Z screenshots linked below. That is memory module isn't downclocked to 1333.
I want to know how to run this DRAM at 666.5 MHz
Again, memory module part number is GR1600S364L11S/4G
Memory module with DDR-1333 , 4GB Samsung one is now unavasilable, sorry.

 

>The error/problem occurs with added 1600 Goodram in slot 2. Memtest 86 just stopped.
That's not quite correct, Memtest86+ checked each memory modules separately in each slot. Running at 1600. No errors.


>A 32 bit OS will only use 4GB max. If you have two 4gb installed, second 4GB is not used.
If you think second DRAM module is not used in this case with 32 bit OS you're not quite right.
In dual channel memory mode PC will use 2 GB of first memory module and 2GB of other memory module to use them with higher bandwidth. Don't have screenshots with 32 bit OS on this laptop, but it was running in dual channel. Ganged mode.
And also, "invisible" memory is available with software like Primo Ramdisk etc. so you can use this memopry for swap file pagefile.sys etc. Sorry, 32 bit os unavailable on particular laptop now, cannot attach correct screenshots.

>install 1333  1.5V memory
This doesn't seem to be an option. 1333 modules are hardly if available now at retailers in my region.
Seems, retailers expect higher clock memory to be downclocked, so I order 1333 and they send me 1600 ones.
Of course, installing 1333 1.5V memory is the easiest case.

So, it's not a solution yet.

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Re: V570c Laptop higher clock memory BSOD issues

2018-01-19, 23:48 PM

Thanks for the CPUZ screenshots.

My statement about your Dram MHZ was based on the Hardware Maintenance Manual specs: 

Bus architecture: 
• DDR3: 800, 1066, 1333MT/s for Dual Core CPU (V570c)

 

My statement is not wrong,

I took the 1333MT/s and divided by 2 and arrived at ~665.5 .

Per CPUZ, it shows your Dram is 800 MHZ and  your machine can support 1600 MT/s transfer rates.  Per CPUZ.

 

I am aware 32 bit OS can access above 4GB using special software. I was not aware of the 2GB of one 4GB stick and 2GB of second 4GB stick would run dual channel, "ganged".  Thanks for the tip. 

 

Finding memory matching OEM spec is difficult. You have stated your GOODMAN part number.   Most current memory will be dual voltage.  Your previous Samsung memory may have been 1.5v. Any mix/match of NON spec memory MAY cause issues on older machines from 2011. 

 

If your machine boots with both Goodman sticks and you later BSOD, I would check event viewer and also use software to analyze the dumps.

 

You may want to consider PC3-12800 ram from a different vendor.

Welcome to the forum and good luck.

 

INB4 purchase, read reviews. Avoid Corsair value ram.

https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/ThinkPad-P-and-W-Series-Mobile/LENOVO-Thinkpad-w500-RAM-upgrade/m-p/3947037#M72031

I also Asked ark, I5-2430M.

https://ark.intel.com/products/53450/Intel-Core-i5-2430M-Processor-3M-Cache-up-to-3_00-GHz

Result :
DDR3 1066/1333

Ark and HMM in sync.

Enjoy the confusion. afterforpost 1.(AFP 1).

CPUZ needs a update, not me.

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Re: V570c Laptop higher clock memory BSOD issues

2018-01-24, 4:52 AM

If you exceed machine specs, there will be total failure, at boot time or later, ie BSOD.

You expect OVERCLOCK to work. Of course you can find 1333 mt/s max Goodman memory on the internet. Magically your OEM Samsung is somewhere.

Good luck. GR1333D364L9/4G<goodman.

 

I have a degree in computer science and understand memory and 32 bit software using  software to access invisible.

 

If you want to overclock and fail, do so at your reputation, not mine.

Try this part:  GR1333D364L9/4G<goodman.

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