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tomc88
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Is there a way to reverse the Function (Fn) Keys on the Ideapad P400?

I recently purchased an Ideapad P400, and I have noticed that the default for  the keys where  F1 and F2, etc. usually are, are now the mute and volume buttons.  To access the F1, F2....F12 keys, you now have to press Fn + your desired F key.  

 

While I understand many people probably find this useful, I play several games where these keys are essential, and it makes playing the games nearly impossible to play if you have to hold down the Fn key in addition to the desired F key.  So my question is, is it possible to reverse the Function keys?  I would much rather press Fn + F1 to mute than have to press press Fn + F1 to access F1.   

 

Thanks you in advance.

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Re: Is there a way to reverse the Function (Fn) Keys on the Ideapad P400?

Hi tomc88,

 

Thanks for Posting and Welcome to the Lenovo Community,

 

I’d like to ask you to explain more your desire inquiry that you need?

 

Thanks and Best Regards,

 

Soha



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Betreff: Is there a way to reverse the Function (Fn) Keys on the Ideapad P400?

Huh, same problem with an Z500 here buddy. Also playing Guild Wars 2? ;-). It's the only game i can remember which essentially uses the F-Keys. I "solved" this problem by using an external keyboard, but thats not sufficent.

In another topic i read something about changing it in BIOS with a BIOS update, but not for my Z500 :/. Maybe you are the lucky guy.

 

Additionally I dont know why and how the OP could explain himself with more detail...

The Buttons F1-F12 are only usable with pressing Fn+(F1-F12). If you "just" press them, you have the usual Fn-Functions like decrease volume etc. In general this is not that bad... but f.e. in Guild Wars 2 i CLOSE the game when i press f4, and f4 is an essential button i have to use with my character.

 

I also develop on this notebook sometimes, when i hit the F10 Button in Visual Studio I want the Debugger to start. On this notebook it changes the used screen.

 

Please give us a possibility to change the Fn-Trigger style to standard!!!

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Betreff: Is there a way to reverse the Function (Fn) Keys on the Ideapad P400?

Hi brainvoid ,

 

Am sorry to tell you that there is no way for this machine to replace the Function keys.

 

Thanks and Best Regards,

 

Soha



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Betreff: Is there a way to reverse the Function (Fn) Keys on the Ideapad P400?

Hi SESoha

Thanks for your answer. Somehow I expected this...

I would appreciate a BIOS Update or s.th. like this.

Thanks!

denijeur
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Betreff: Is there a way to reverse the Function (Fn) Keys on the Ideapad P400?

The same problem is discussed for other models of Lenovo laptops. Z500:

 

http://forums.lenovo.com/t5/IdeaPad-Y-U-V-Z-and-P-series/Function-keys-on-the-z500/td-p/942015

 

P500:

 

https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/IdeaPad-Y-U-V-Z-and-P-series/How-do-you-reset-the-function-keys-on-a-P5...

 

Here they actually proposed some kind of solution (using SoftKeys), but it doesn't really work with all the keys.

 

What a shame that they can't solve such a simple and annoying like hell problem via BIOS settings.

MrJaz
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Re: Is there a way to reverse the Function (Fn) Keys on the Ideapad P400?

I was accidentally successful in doing this by updating the bios on my P400 after updating to Windows 8.1 (don't do it!).  Windows 8.1 does not allow the screen brightness to adjust and the screen in always in its most dark setting.  A contact from Microsoft tried updating the Bios to fix the problem.  Instead of fixing the screen brightness adjustment issue, it reversed the operation of the function keys.  So, now the function keys work like they would on a regular computer and I have to press the function key to get the special functions.  Ironically, I am trying to figure out how to switch it back!  And, I am also not able to do so.  I found this article from last year that shows the toggle feature as a software configuration option on a different Lenovo model: http://blog.lenovo.com/products/switching-function-keys-to-standard-f1-f12-on-lenovo-slim-usb-keyboa...  I have not found such a configuration option on the P400.  Please let me know if you do.  Thanks.

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Re: Is there a way to reverse the Function (Fn) Keys on the Ideapad P400?

Found it!  As I figured may be the case since this change occurrred upon updating the bios, it is a bios setting.  If you restart and enter the bios configuration (usually by pressing F2), you can change the setting for the Hotkeys to Enabled or Disabled.  Enabled means that you will be using the special secondary function of the keys (such as volume, screen brightness, etc.) as the primary function.  Disabled means that you will be back to using your keys as regular old function keys.  I hope that this works for you as it did for me.  Thanks.

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Re: Is there a way to reverse the Function (Fn) Keys on the Ideapad P400?

Hi all,

 

thanks you for your patience. We have just released a tip in regards to the issue that you're facing. Please veiw the link below to do for respective BIOSES

 

http://support.lenovo.com/en_US/diagnose-and-fix/detail.page?DocID=HT080427

 

For the moment, I'll put this post as the solution in order to direct customers accordingly and will continue to monitor the case. Please do continue post here on the results and should it not be found to be an adequate solution we shall umark this and continue to investigate.

 

Regards

jsbueno
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Message 10 of 13

Re: Is there a way to reverse the Function (Fn) Keys on the Ideapad P400?

I just bought a new ideapad z400 which also suffers from this issue. After installing Linux and wippping windows out, I just found about this inverted key use, which would get on the way in the most basic of system tasks.

 

Fortunatelly on this model, the BIOS already features a feature to fix it, and restore the F keys back.

 

I decided to comment it here for some reasons:

 

1) ideapads z400 from 7/2014 on are "safe" - one can change the option right at the BIOS,

without any updating.

 

2) There is nod keypad emulation or numlock at all - so 3D modeling software

like Blender 3 which relies heavily on those for shortcuts will need external hardware.

 

3) It can't be said enough that this was probably the ***most idiotic idea ever*** to be put in computer keyboards,

even more stupid than some chinese "generic multimedia keyboard" which featured a key that

would by default power the computer off. Because that key could just be ripped of the keyboard,

so it would be harmless. If the fix was not available in  BIOS,  I'd just take the machine to the store

and buy something from another vendor - no second thoughts.

 

HINT: try to press Alt + f2, ctrl + f2, alt + f4 -- al of which are heavily used shortcuts in a Unix windowing enviroment.

(alt + f4 is useful even on Windows). **Surprise ** You have just one left hand thumb - and it must either hold down

"ctrl" or "alt" or the "Fn" button. The workaround is to twist the left hand in an awkward way to press both, and use the right hand to get to the actual F-key: closely unfeasible, and less so as a "shortcut".

 

Shame-on you! Please, take actions against the team that came out with this '"feature" before they completly break all the product lines.

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