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ryanerwin
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1TB msata SSD in Yoga 2 Pro?

Several people have asked about using the Samsung 1TB EVO mSATA SSD (840 EVO MZ-MTE1T0BW) with the Yoga 13 and Yoga 2 Pro, but after hours of searching I can't find a definitive report that either a) it works! or b) specific reason why it doesn't work.

 

I purchased this mSATA drive and had a professional install it into my new Yogo 2 Pro i7, but I tap the "recovery/bios" button next to my power button, boot into the BIOS, and see that the SSD hard drive is not recognized.

 

I've been a PowerBook/MacBook user for the last 15 years, but the 3200x1800px touch screen, 2 in 1 touch Win 8.1 interface, and mSATA option that I thought would allow a 1TB connection attracted me away from my 11" MBA with 500GB SSD. Just a bit bigger, big heavier, but far more powerful... I'm very happy to move on to a new environment, just hope that I can get this SSD working.

 

Lenovo's authorized service center here in Shanghai claims that the 256GB SSD that my 8GB i7 Yoga 2 Pro shipped with is the maximum sized SSD that will work in my laptop, and claims that this is because it's the "chinese version" even though my BIOS is in english...

 

There is tons of information online that almost answers my question, for example:

 

  • Lenovo Yoga 2 Pro Hardware Maintance Manual (pdf) only lists drives up to 512GB, the largest drive listed is the Samsung PM841-512GB mSATA SSD (not the Samsung EVO series or the Crucial 512GB)
  • Amazon reviewer Adam C reports he's using the Samsung 256GB EVO mSATA SSD in his Yoga 2 Pro and the performance is significantly better than the 256GB Toshiba SSD that his Yoga 2 Pro shipped with
  • Crucial.com lists their M550 512GB mSATA Internal SSD as "Guaranteed-compatible with the Lenovo Yoga 2 Pro"
  • Will Stone's Yoga 2 Pro Teardown and Upgrade video reports that the mSATA drive is upgradable, but doesn't specify 1TB compatibility
  • musicman40nj writes about the idea of using the 1TB mSATA EVO in a Yoga 2 Pro (3# ultrabook with i7 8 GB RAM) but hasn't actually tested it
  • XBrav on this forum writes that "the manual was written at a time where 512mb was the max available on the market. Given that the 1TB was only just announced in December, I doubt the manual was updated. As with regular SATA, I don't believe there are controller limitations until 3TB"
  • Gabriel Chow also on this forum asks the same question "service manual says I can put 512GB in but is there a chance I can put a single 1TB mSATA SSD in" but has never recieved an answer
  • rahul_dhawani on this forum asks "How to add more space to his Yoga 2 Pro" and RojasTKD responded that you can install a larger SSD.
  • Josh Townsend writes that he sees no reason with this 1TB mSATA drive won't work with a Yoga 13
  • This Dell community site talks about an mSATA SSD installation where the drive was just not properly seated.
  • Mahoho on this forum also ran into problems with his mSATA SSD because the connectors were not properly seated.
  • TDWindustries posted on this forum that he had problems installing a Crucial mSata 256GB, but the problem ended up being that his SSD was bad. ericmcdowell in the same thread also had problems upgrading his mSATA SSD, but no resolution reported.
  • Carlaron and Biger84 asked on this forum about the SSD size limit, and a "support specialist" claimed that 256GB was the limit, but when asked what kind of controller is used that can only access 256GB, no answer was provided.
  • ainterr reported on this forum that he's planning on buying a 1TB Samsung 840 EVO mSATA SSD for his Y500, but no results have been reported yet.

But none of them a direct answers - Is it possible? If not, why not?

So... my laptop is still at the repair center waiting for my next move. I'm not going to downgrade from my uber portable 512GB 8GB i7 11" MacBook Air to only 256GB in my 13.3" Yoga...

 

  • Has ANYONE succeeded in using Samsung's 1TB mSATA SSD in their Yoga 2 Pro? Has anyone else tried? Same results as me, or different?
  • Is there really a dummed version of the Yoga 2 Pro sold in China that only supports 256GB mSATA SSD?
  • Is there a firmware upgrade, BIOS upgrade, or some other special software that I can download that will make my drive work?
  • Is the technician helping me out just seating it wrong --- once we connect it correct perhaps it will be fine?
  • Perhaps every other Samsung 1TB drive is working fine in Yoga 2 Pro's, but I just got a bad one?

I don't see a way to initialize the drive via the BIOS... the drive simply doesn't show up in the BIOS.

 

Please Help! :-)

ryanerwin
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Re: 1TB msata SSD in Yoga 2 Pro?

I've done some additional testing on this today.

 

First, I purchased an external mSATA SSD enclosure and mounted my 1TB Samsung (840 EVO MZ-MTE1T0BW) inside the enclosure, connect via USB3, and other machines read it just fine. So my 1TB drive is definitely good. No problem here --- yet that drive still isn't recognized by my Lenovo Bios.

 

Second, I purchased a 512GB mSATA SSD, the Samsung PM841-512GB mSATA SSD, the exact model number listed in the Lenovo Yoga 2 Pro Hardware Maintance Manual (pdf), but this drive isn't recognized by my BIOS either, even though this drive also works fine inside my external mSATA SSD enclosure.

 

Third, I installed a 128GB mSATA SSD into my Yoga 2 Pro and it's immediately recognized.

When I switch back to the 256GB mSATA SSD that came with my Yoga 2 Pro, of course it's still recognized and works just fine.

 

Product Name: Lenovo Yoga 2 Pro

Bios Version: 76CN31WW (seems to be most current version)

EC Version: 76EC25WW (why doesn't embedded controller version match BIOS version?)

CPU: Intel(r) Core(TM) i7-4500U CPU

System Memory: 8192MB

Hard Disk: Unrecognized (when I use 512GB or 1TB mSATA SSD)

Windows License: STD

 

I've isolated that it's not a bad SSD, and it's not a problem with the way the SSD is installed. The SSD is seated correctly each time.

 

My same problem still remains. After hours of searching I can't find a definitive report that either a) it works! or b) specific reason why it doesn't work.

 

splus
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Re: 1TB msata SSD in Yoga 2 Pro?

Wow, this is a really big thing, IMO.

Recently I bought 128 GB SSD version of Y2P (that was the only available model at a time), but my logic was that I will upgrade it to 512 GB, whichever model/brand of mSATA SSD I choose when I want to do it.

 

Can it be that Lenovo has locked the BIOS to only those 2 factory SSDs, 128 GB and 256 Samsung SSDs?? And that even the 512 GB model that they ship with Y2P doesn't get recognized?

 

This would be crazy! I want to be able to upgrade and install whatever mSATA SSD I want!

Are there any secret connectors/pins where SSD gets plugged in? Anything at all that can make a difference?

ryanerwin
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Re: 1TB msata SSD in Yoga 2 Pro?

Splus,


@splus wrote:

Recently I bought 128 GB SSD version of Y2P (that was the only available model at a time), but my logic was that I will upgrade it to 512 GB, whichever model/brand of mSATA SSD I choose when I want to do it. 


That was my same logic. I researched which 2-in-1 touch Ultrabook I would get for several weeks, and even then talked it over for a full day with a good buddy of mine that's an editor at Engadget.

 

The fact that the Lenovo Yoga 2 Pro has a mSATA SSD port was a big factor in pulling the trigger. Even thought the 512GB SSD version was back ordered in the USA and not even available for sale in China, I thought that I could certainly upgrade to the 1TB SSD and have a very roomy Ultrabook solution, one that is a noticable upgrade from my 11" MacBook Air from last year that already has a 512GB SSD, i7 and 8GB RAM.

 

Quite disapointing that Lenovo has made something that could be so great into such an ordeal... and for what benefit?


@splus wrote:

Can it be that Lenovo has locked the BIOS to only those 2 factory SSDs, 128 GB and 256 Samsung SSDs?? And that even the 512 GB model that they ship with Y2P doesn't get recognized?

 

This would be crazy! I want to be able to upgrade and install whatever mSATA SSD I want!

Are there any secret connectors/pins where SSD gets plugged in? Anything at all that can make a difference?


I think you must be right. Lenovo is doing something to lock down the BIOS. Not sure if it's related to support for their Fast Boot Up procedure, Windows License Protection, or what. The kind local support enginner is still helping me dig into this. Hopefully I'll have an answer soon. 

I've already got more than 350GB of space used on my MacBook Air SSD. I use a lot of very high rez video files that I need to demo at a moments notice...

 

I didn't see any extra pins or connectors next to the SSD, but the mSATA connector for the 128GB, 256GB, 512GB and 1024GB (1TB) are all identical. The first two work, the second two fail.

 

So far, the strangest mystery is why does the Samsung PM841-512GB mSATA SSD listed in the Lenovo Yoga 2 Pro Hardware Maintenence Manual fail to be recognized? It's in the manual...

 

I also upgraded my network card to the 5GHz compatible version, but I see some posters on BIOS-MODS are also seeing issues on the Yoga 2 Pro with my BIOS version and the upgraded 5GHz card...

 

 

Come on Lenvovo. You've got Apple customers beating down your down. Pull your heads out of the sand and step up... then you can charge ridicilious markups too Smiley Very Happy

ryanerwin
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Re: 1TB msata SSD in Yoga 2 Pro?


@splus wrote:

 

Can it be that Lenovo has locked the BIOS to only those 2 factory SSDs, 128 GB and 256 Samsung SSDs?? And that even the 512 GB model that they ship with Y2P doesn't get recognized?


Lenovo's internal tech support in Beijing is claiming that they don't have any internal whitelist or blacklist that are denying access from the motherboard to the mSATA card, but they also claim that they don't have blacklists or whitelists for the approved network interface cards, yet I see two different threads on bios-mods.com for requests to unlock the WLAN card whitelist on the Yoga 2 Pro.

 

Anyone else able to shed some light on Yoga 2 Pro mSATA options?

tdroz
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Re: 1TB msata SSD in Yoga 2 Pro?

I'm typing this on a Yoga 2 Pro upgraded with a Samsung SSD 840EVO mSATA 500GB (MZ-MTE500BW).  Works like a charm!

 

EDIT: added specific model number

ryanerwin
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Re: 1TB msata SSD in Yoga 2 Pro?

Wow, that is very interesting.Perhaps all my troubles are limited to a China specific version?

What is the model number of your Yoga 2 Pro?
tdroz
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Re: 1TB msata SSD in Yoga 2 Pro?

Here's the label from the bottom of the unit.  Stock unit bought from Best Buy.

 

Link to picture

 

Moderator note; picture(s) converted to link(s) About Posting Pictures In The Forums

ryanerwin
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Re: 1TB msata SSD in Yoga 2 Pro?


tdroz:

Here's the label from the bottom of the unit.  Stock unit bought from Best Buy.

Link to picture


Thanks so much for providing that. Looking at the bottom of my Yoga 2 Pro, it's definitely different from yours.

y2p_59384489_50k.jpg

 

I also got a note this morning from Samsung about this issue, and they said:

 

Thank you for contacting Samsung Support regarding your concerns and inquiries. We apologize for any inconvenience this may be causing you. Have you initialized the SSD through Disk Management in windows or though Diskpart via CMD? With the install disc loaded into your optical drive, press ‘Shift + F10’. This will open the Command Prompt. Type in the following syntax commands to perform DiskPart Formatting:

Diskpart.exe

List disk (this will list the disk information along with a disk number)

Select disk (and the number the disk is assigned i.e. 0, 1, 2 etc.)

Clean

Create part pri

Select part 1

Active

Exit

Exit

Once this is complete, you should be able to proceed with the installation of your Operating System.

Thank you again for contacting Samsung Support and have a good day.

 

I tried the Samsung procedure on both of the Samsung 1TB 840 EVO MZ-MTE1T0BW, and the Samsung 512GB PM841-512GB listed as the official part# in the Lenovo Yoga 2 Pro Hardware Maintance Manual (pdf), yet neither the 512GB or 1TB drive are recognized in the BIOS.

 

Now waiting on Lenovo support in Beijing - hopefully they will provide us with an updated BIOS software to reflash with so that my BIOS will supprort at least the 512GB like tdroz, hopefully will support the full 1TB drive.

alexcannas
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Re: 1TB msata SSD in Yoga 2 Pro?

There is definitely a whitelist in the BIOS.  However keep in mind the following:  People who have changed the wireless network card (like myself) found out that NOT all Intel Dual Band 7260AC cards are the same.  There are actually two versions, one without an FCC ID that has a different Device ID and is blocked and another one that does have a FCC ID on the label and is recognized and works just fine.

 

It is therefore possible that the 500GB SSD you installed is the same model, but has a different Device ID than the OEM unit.  I am very sure your problem is the whitelist and nothing else...  I have a 512GB Yoga (German Version)  and the BIOS is one and common amongst the different language versions.  The official 500GB SSD is listed as 

SAMSUNG MZMTD512HAGL-000L1 and SCSI\DiskSAMSUNG_MZMTD512HAGL-000DXT4 in Device Manager. Compare that to the ID listed for your device when it is connected to the USB port.  If you want, I will take a picture of the actual hardware to check the label for any differences.

 

 

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