12-04-2012 11:37 AM - edited 12-04-2012 06:16 PM
Got my orange Yoga 11 with Windows RT a few days ago here in the UK, and I have to say that initial impressions are very good. No fan at all, barely gets wam, switches on from connected standby almost instantly, and battery life is really impressive. Build quality seems solid - no peeling paintwork, and keyboard is securely fastened, screen is great quality, there's some backlight bleed on the right side, but only visible when at 100% against a black background (i.e. never). There's a bit more flex and 'give' in the screen than I expected, but nothing I can't live with. Wifi signal is also strong and connections don't drop like others are seeing with the Yoga 13.
So, Windows RT ... still getting used to it, but here are some initial niggles: there only appears to be one Lenovo RT settings app available in the Store, and it's fairly useless, since all it does is provide a switch to lock/unlock keyboard in different orientations (why?). No Lenovo drivers are available from here either, I guess these all come from Windows Update for the RT model instead?
The problems I'm having stem from not being able to tweak some system & hardware settings properly because of the above and the need to rely on stock driiver configs, specifically:
- Keyboard: it can be quite sluggish, and doesn't register repeat letters very well (like in 'tell' or 'soon') at my typing speed. I've never experienced this with any keyboard, nevermind a Lenovo one. The stock keyboard config under Control Panel does nothing to help this - changing the two options for Repeat delay/Repeat rate just make it worse. This is quite annoying, as I really have to slow down my typing speed to get any work done. It would currently be my no. 1 reason for returning it, depending on how I get on with it this week.
- Touchpad: no options are available to configure it that I can find. No tweaking multi-touch, like 2-finger scroll direction (which is reversed from the normal setting). It can also be very sluggish to respond sometimes, especially for pinch to zoom and similar gestures.
- Bluetooth: allthough I can pair with e.g. Jamboxes fine enough, the connection is dreadful - constantly skipping and dropping out with any audio source, basically unusable. The Jamboxes work fine with every other device I own. Again no settings I can tweak here beyond the installation options, and no way to debug the problem.
Any help or advice with these niggles would be much appreciated, especially the keyboard issue.
12-05-2012 01:14 PM
Well, I got to the root of one of the issues anyway: bluetooth conflicts with wireless. Disabling wireless completely allows playing to a bluetooth speaker without any skipping and breaking up. Re-enable wireless, and the issue is back (with Bluetooth Collaboration both on and off in the wireless adapter settings). That hopefully will help you to find a solution.
12-08-2012 05:26 AM
Just to add a few more passing thoughts to this monlogue for anyone who may be thinking of buying this model instead of the 13.
When it comes to Windows RT I'm finding myself more surprised every day by what I *can* rather than *can't* do with it. Partly this is because I thought it would be something closer to a gimped Android or iOS experience. Here are some things I didn't really expect to be available or usable, and that compare very well to those other OSes:
- Remote Desktop (& RemoteApps): this really works very nicely, so far if I need quick access to a non-RT app it's a doddle to remote login to a W7 machine. I was expecting this to be too slow to be practical, but actually it's very smooth, and no need to install a separate app (although the Store has a Metro version to complement the desktop UI).
- Windows Firewall with Advanced Security: I was expecting something dumbed-down, but this is the fully monty, completely configurable when you need it, otherwise less in your face than with W7. The same goes for Windows Defender, also included as standard.
- Local Group Policy: I'm still surprised this is included, given that it otherwise only comes with W8 Pro.
- Bitlocker: encrypts your drive by default OOB, no need to manage it at all.
- Network browsing & sharing: really it's just a doddle to set up, using HomeGroup or just browsing the local network, access to all your network files OOB without installing any apps.
- PlayTo: again, painless to set up and use, streaming all your media to DLNA devices.
- Flash support, works just fine, and easy enough to add 'supported' sites to the list.
- Explorer / File History / Disk management, really the whole suite is there without sandboxing or more apps needed for handling basic tasks. So refreshing after iOS especially.
- Admin tools / Powershell: the list of is impressive - full Task Manager, Event Viewer & Performance Monitor all included - and I was delighted to find Powershell in there too, especially since it's finally integrated into Explorer properly. Such a great, under-rated utility!
- Media support: although I do miss a desktop media player with previews in Explorer, and better codec management, I was surprised by how quickly devs are stepping up to support different media types. Free apps already support mkvs and the like, and a VLC port is planned. I'm optimistic that this will get better.
So basically, once you get past the point of accepting that you can't install legacy desktop programs or drivers, it's pretty much a solid Windows experience. I think the keyboard & typing speed is now my only major issue ... but I've almost convinced myself I can live with it so probably won't be returning it.
Thanks for listening.
12-08-2012 09:31 AM
Thanks for listening.
Thanks for posting!
Your experience will be helpful to other members considering the Yoga11, I'm sure.
I am not a Lenovo employee
12-11-2012 03:01 AM
I also bought a Yoga 11 last week and have had a problem with it. This will be familiar to Yoga 13 owners - the screen stopped auto rotating. I checked in Devices and found that the "invenSense sensor group" had faulted so windows had switched them off. I did a "windows refresh", which took about 10 minutes, and that has cured it at the moment, though I only did it this morning and haven't had chance to give it a thorough test yet. Refreshing it has defaulted all my settings but kept my apps etc, but still a nuisance. If this becomes frequent, it's definitely going back.
12-11-2012 06:41 AM
Great, now there are two of us at least with this model Though I haven't seen that problem with the autorotation (yet).
Btw, as there's so little info here or anywhere else about Windows RT & Yoga 11, I've found that the Surface forums are very helpful. The specs are very similar, so many of the issues are the same. Here's Microsoft acknowledging the Bluetooth probs, for example:
... they say they're "still working on it".
Also the XDA forums have a really helpful list of tips & ticks for the Surface that apply in most cases to the Yoga 11 too:
12-11-2012 08:40 AM
Thanks, gtop. There's more information on those links than I've seen anywhere else! But surely we can't be the only people with Yoga 11s? I bought mine on Oxford St and there were loads of people looking at the display model. I guess the fact it wasn't working properly put them off! (Shame on you, Pc World)
12-18-2012 09:18 PM - edited 12-18-2012 09:26 PM
hi guys, I work for Lenovo but here a write as a customer! I am a new owner of Yoga 11, too, thanks for your information! I must say no issue so far apart from the sluggish keyboard. I tried and connected an external keyboard and it's fast, so.. hope the issue can be solved.
I got myself the HDMI to VGA adapter, and I connected the Yoga to my big old pc screen. Working with dual screens is cool. Office speed is not terribly quick, but ok. Viewing pictures and videos on the big screen is ok. Using the Yoga like a desktop machine is really.. stretching it quite a bit, but well it can be done!
I think the only frustrations come from Windows RT. It's new, and finding good apps is still an issue. For instance, I want a good video player that supports all of the video types, and so far the offer is quite scattered and unconvincing. I think they have to fix this thing because Windows RT can only rely on new software and if it is not there, well it's a problem.
12-31-2012 08:24 AM
i also bought a Ideapad Yoga 11 2 days ago.
The device is working properly, except for the keyboard.
Can anyone confirm this will be fixed in the near future?
I bought this device especially because of the excellent keyboard Lenovo provides, so bummer for the moment.
01-07-2013 05:13 PM
Does anybody know if Lenovo is working on a fix for the luggisch keyboard?
And yes, when is it to be expected?
Anything else on the device is working properly and if the keyboard works correctly, this is a great device.