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Re: Yoga 2 Pro vs Dell XPS 11

2013-11-25, 6:44 AM
I have been reading up on the Dell Venue 11 Pro. What amazing machine it will be. It may be the one to get with all things considered.
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Re: Yoga 2 Pro vs Dell XPS 11

2013-11-25, 12:13 PM

Yes it sounds good if the smaller form factor is not a problem for you.  Also the Dell pen apparently is quite wonky.

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Re: Yoga 2 Pro vs Dell XPS 11

2013-11-25, 14:05 PM

Hey,

 

I struggled a long time about what device it's good for me ... and ended up with the Surface Pro 2, which is just the best device for ME.

 

Digitizer

I didn't consider the Yoga 2 Pro, just because the lack of an active digitizer and from what I can tell you: having one really boosts my productivity as I am a university student, taking notes, writing into scripts, sketching and all that stuff.

So first thing: did you consider the Thinkpad Yoga? I mean it does not come with  the QHD screen, but the screen is matt and bright + coming with an active digitizer...

What's about the power ?

the i5-4210Y brings about 25-30% less CPU-power and more than 50% less GPU power to the table as the i5-4200U, BUT you really have to ask yourself, if you need that power

Battery life

Here, the XPS 11 will really outlast the Yoga 2 Pro (Y2P gives you just over 6h of FHD playback, XPS 11 should give you at least 2h more, if not more)

Keyboard

I have to say in real life use, I don't use the keyboard that much ... but you have to know if you need a keyboard for long texts....

 

Difficult decision ... but it looks for me, that you're searching for a light, portable and stylish device (as you didn't consider the Thinkpad Yoga), I'd go for the XPS 11

 

But what's about the Surface 2 Pro? It beats XPS 11 and Yoga.2 Pro on each single point, except display resolution and form factor: better stylus, more power, lighter, longer battery life --> more portable, superior build quality, a lot of software goodies, very good type cover 2, TPM-chip, Win 8.1 Pro included ;)

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Re: Yoga 2 Pro vs Dell XPS 11

2013-11-25, 14:07 PM

PS: appears that Dell came up with a firmware update for the Synaptics Touchpad series ... stylus should be good enough ... also IGZO will improve with stylus', at least because of the high resolution...

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Re: Yoga 2 Pro vs Dell XPS 11

2013-11-26, 1:10 AM
Yes, I am looking for an ultrabook/hybrid in the 11 inch size. The Venue 11 Pro and XPS 11 have me in a quandry. Cant decide at all. The Y series I5 more than meets my performance requirement. More important to me is battery life, weight/portability, build quality, other specs such as dual band wireless, user component access, accessories. The Dell Venue 11 Pro is available with the I5 4300Y processor in a MAX business version config (model 7130) with 8 GB RAM and 256 SSD. The mobile keyboard with its internal keyboard battery gives battery life time of around 15 hours. Unbelievable. The SSD and battery are customer swappable!! That is hugh to me. When used without the keyboard in tablet form it only weighs 1.84 pounds. The XPS 11 is a work of art in materials but is only available with 4 GB Ram and a 4210Y processor that is definately a little less robust than the Venue 11 Pro obtainable 4300Y processor with a 2.3 turbo boost as opposed to 1.9. I like the fact that the XPS 11 has 2 full size 3.0 USB ports compared to the 1 with the Venue. Also, the SD slot in the XPS 11 is a full size card reader as opposed to a mini in the Venue 11 Pro. Of course, until trying them both out, the keyboard experience is an unknown and subject to personal preference. I knew that it would be impossible for me to decide between the XPS 11 and Venue 11 Pro as they have their unique specs and pros so I ordered them both. I will keep the one that works best for me. I ordered both machines in MAX configurations. The last new computer I bought was 8 years ago so, when it comes time to buy I do it on the high side as I keep my stuff a long time. In the case of the Venue 11 Pro, it will have the slightly higher performing 4300Y processor and I ordered the mobile keyboard for it with battery and the docking station. I will report back on the decision. My XPS 11 is supposed to be delivered on 12/12 but my Venue 11 Pro not until l1/6. That is fine though. No rush. My wife is also replacing her 5 year old 14 inch well used HP laptop with a Venue 11 Pro with an I5 4210Y/4GB Ram/128 SSD config, mobile keyboard. I will take a couple weeks to try them both out and see which one is a keeper.
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Re: Yoga 2 Pro vs Dell XPS 11

2013-11-26, 6:18 AM

Same idea I had originally :D 

 

Sounds great and I'm very curious about how stronger a 4300Y is (heat management with just 11,5W) over a 4210Y and less powerful than a 4200U.

Also It'd be great if you could tell us something about the keyboard of the XPS 11 and the Stylus on both - did you order one?

 

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Re: Yoga 2 Pro vs Dell XPS 11

2013-11-26, 7:33 AM
Great minds think alike :-) No, I did not order a stylus for either one as I have no need for it. My thought on the 4300Y was heat related as well. The question is whether a 100 mhz higher base and 400 MHZ higher turbo boost in the same chassis will create significantly higher fan time or higher temps. Logically, everyone would want the 4300 but is it a smart decision given the size of the machine? Since both processors are 11.5W tdp, maybe heat and cooling are not issues? The XPS 11 will also be offered with the 4300Y soon, at least according to the Dell rep I spoke with. At a practical and functional level and on paper, the Venue 11 Pro in a max config makes more sense. The 1980 res on a 10.8" device is plenty and it is hard to make the case for value of QHD resolutions on small 11.6" screens like the XPS 11. However, the material, carbon fiber (I hate plastic) build quality, screen brightness, gorilla glass in the XPS 11, full HDMI and 2 USB ports are true value items in my mind. Regarding the 4 gb memory limit in the XPS 11, it really does not matter at all. I know there are those that feel they need more than 4 gb of ram on a win8 ultrabook. However, on the Yoga 11s that I returned which had 8 gb of RAM and an I7, I could not get the machine to use more than 3 gb of memory usage, ever. That was with converting video in Handbrake, several apps running with 10 or more websites being accessed, etc. We will see. Perhaps the keyboard experience will quickly make the decision for me one way or the other. I will report back my thoughts and experience when they arrive!
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Re: Yoga 2 Pro vs Dell XPS 11

2013-12-08, 15:44 PM

DELL XPS 11 is out for someime, but there is nowhere on dell's product page stating even one word that it has digitizer. It turns out that it has no digitiZer!!! So one of the advantage of XPS 11 disappeared!

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Re: Yoga 2 Pro vs Dell XPS 11

2013-12-09, 0:40 AM

I was in a similar boat. Around the time the original Surface Pro came out, I was getting really frustrated with my iPad and its lack of any file system, expandability, etc. I purchased the SP1, but sold it a while later because at the time the battery life was really poor, and few apps I wanted on there were non-existent/horrible.

 

I replaced it with XPS 12, which was great at first, but it had so many issues with the trackpad (Ivy Bridge version) it was unusable. When SP2 came out, I bought it right away. I was ready to embrace the future - the portability and the power of that little machine made me question a need for a light laptop. Unfortunately, the software issues such as crashing coming out of sleep or touch cover not being recognized a lot of times made it so unreliable for me, I returned it, and got the Y2P.

 

Having had it for a week now, I'm gain thorn about what to do. On one hand the size is nice for laptop work, the screen is great, it' fast and priced really well. On the other hand the battery life sucks (I get about 2 hours less than I was on my SP2 in my usage - right under 6 hours), and it's big enough that I treat it as a laptop, and find myself hardly ever using it as a tablet. It's too big to read books on, not comfortable to use in bed when I don't want to wake my wife up, and the keyboard on the bottom in tablet mode is not only weird, it also makes me never leave it in that mode on a table, etc.

 

Basically, Y2P is a laptop first, where as XPS 11 or SP2 are tablets first. If you are looking for a laptop replacement, than Y2P makes more sense. If you are looking for a true hybrid device, something smaller is more manageable.

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