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Re: Frustrations with Locked Bootloaders

2016-01-07, 19:49 PM

Also - as to me being a "threat" to the Verizon network - I already have the phone rooted. The reason for the unlocked bootloader is to run TWRP and make image backups so if I try something experimental that doesn't work I can restore it to the way it was easily.

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Re: Frustrations with Locked Bootloaders

2016-01-07, 20:05 PM

I doubt you will be convinced, but the facts remain:



  • Motorola built the phone for Verizon per Verizon specifications

  • The phone was sold with an locked boot loader

  • The Droid line is exclusive to Verizon and built under contract for Verizon



You are not being denied an unlock code. One was never offered for this phone.



Also, you are making the assumption that it is possible to unlock the boot loader. It is just as likely that no such code exists and it is impossible. 


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Re: Frustrations with Locked Bootloaders

2016-01-07, 20:20 PM

I actually could be convinced. If there were no unlock code available
that would be convincing. However if there is an unlock code and it is
being withheld from me - that is very different. And that's what I'm
assuming here. If there is no unlock code that exists then I concede defeat.
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Re: Frustrations with Locked Bootloaders

2016-01-07, 20:24 PM

I know of no one that has ever received an unlock code on an un-eligible device. Even those of us that are MotoXprts that have wanted to unlock Verizon and AT&T phones were stuck. 



That is all the information anyone here has. 



But if the codes do exist - the only reason (IMO) that Moto would not release them for out of warranty phones is that they are contractually bound to Verizon to not do this. 


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Re: Frustrations with Locked Bootloaders

2016-01-07, 20:52 PM

You're thinking seems to be that the carrier has no right to set rules for the devices that ride on their network.  What's your reasoning behind that?

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Re: Frustrations with Locked Bootloaders

2016-01-07, 20:54 PM

MarcPerkel said:



I actually could be convinced. If there were no unlock code available
that would be convincing. However if there is an unlock code and it is
being withheld from me - that is very different. And that's what I'm
assuming here. If there is no unlock code that exists then I concede defeat.

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Interesting.  So, if something exists, you're entitled to it even if you don't meet the criteria in place from day one?

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Re: Frustrations with Locked Bootloaders

2016-01-07, 21:22 PM

My reasoning would be the same as if I bought a computer and Microsoft
decided they wouldn't allow me to install Linux on it. What I do with my
property is none of their business. For all they know I might not even
be using it as a telephone.

Suppose Verizon decided that there rule was that users couldn't use
Yahoo email? Carriers don't have the right to tell me what I can do with
MY phone.
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Re: Frustrations with Locked Bootloaders

2016-01-07, 21:36 PM

You can continue to fight it, but that is the way cell phones are. Apple devices are the same way. Put some other OS on your iPhone or iPad. 



Like I said, this argument has gone on for years. Computers are open (mostly) phones and tablets are not. 


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Re: Frustrations with Locked Bootloaders

2016-01-07, 22:33 PM

MarcPerkel said:



My reasoning would be the same as if I bought a computer and Microsoft
decided they wouldn't allow me to install Linux on it. What I do with my
property is none of their business. For all they know I might not even
be using it as a telephone.

Suppose Verizon decided that there rule was that users couldn't use
Yahoo email? Carriers don't have the right to tell me what I can do with
MY phone.

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Full disclosure: I am a Verizon customer.  I am NOT a Verizon fan.



I submit that the computer example is a comparison between apples and oranges.  In the computer situation, I agree with you wholeheartedly.  What you do with your computer is your business because it doesn't affect Microsoft, nor any of its other customers.



Regarding your phone on Verizon's network, the comparison fails, IMHO.  Verizon invests millions in that network, and if I invested millions in something, I'd protect it too, and the software that rides on the network could have a negative impact on performance.  



Carriers do have a right to determine what rides on their network.  We, as consumers, have a right to vote with our dollars.  Apps have been blocked before.  And our dollars will speak louder than ever before now that contracts are falling by the wayside and we're free to switch carriers when we want to, as long as we aren't forced into a lease or long-term payment plan for a device.



The computer is yours to do with as you wish.  But the network is not yours to do with as you wish, and Verizon has no obligation to accommodate any of us.  We can tell them we're unhappy with that by giving our dollars to a different carrier who better meets our needs, but they have a right to enforce their rules.

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Re: Frustrations with Locked Bootloaders

2016-01-07, 22:52 PM

Why would an unlocked phone be a threat to verizon's network? If I took
a regular Verizon phone and used it as a hotspot for a Linux box I could
connect through Verizon network and would have a far more powerful
platform to do mischief with. There is no relationship between having an
unlocked bootloader and problems with Verizon's network.

And I'm not a Verizon customer so there are no support or warranty issues.
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