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Re: Froyo on the US XT720 ?

2011-01-15, 0:21 AM

There are actually many small providers that carry the XT720.

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Re: Froyo on the US XT720 ?

2011-01-15, 0:37 AM

Then I'd wager that together they're all small enough that even pooling resources, the sticker shock was too large and Motorola couldn't work it out. It certainly seems like Motorola has an update pecking order and Verizon is on top. Next come the other large carriers and probably at the end are the small carriers. The next upgrade will pose exactly the same problem. That's how I see it anyway. In the end, locked bootloaders don't make sense for small carriers because advanced users will be frustrated. I'm hoping Cincinnati Bell has learned this lesson. I currently plan to stick with the XT720 until my contract is up. Getting around the bootloader is a hassle but it's looking like it won't be impossible.

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Re: Froyo on the US XT720 ?

2011-01-15, 2:03 AM

I have a Cinti Bell XT720 but I really don't care about flash, I do care to have a phone that will work all the time! That can always pickup my home wireless network without having to turn off wireless and then turn it back on, be able to save apps to my SD card is probably the most important feature... It is because those reasons that I have played with rooting the phone to install apps2sd and the new version on JIT.

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Re: Froyo on the US XT720 ?

2011-01-15, 2:40 AM

For the heck of it I asked CBW  about when Flash would be available on their "Flash Ready" and when some of these other issues would be fixed.

Here was the response I got back,

"Thank you for contacting Cincinnati Bell

I apologize, but currently we have no information as to when the software for Motorola Milestone XT720 will be upgraded from Android 2.2 and above. CurrentlyCincinnati Bell is supporting the latest software version Android 2.1. We will happy to let you know if an upgrade to Android 2.2 becomes available. You can also check or website for more information"

So much for them knowing, of a least admiting anything.

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Re: Froyo on the US XT720 ?

2011-01-15, 20:02 PM

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"[...] We will happy to let you know if an upgrade to Android 2.2 becomes available. You can also check or website for more information [...]"

Don't let them string you along.  Motorola has made it clear the the Milestone XT720 "Will remain on Android 2.1", that is, will never be able to run Flash.  If you have been sold the phone as a Flash-capable device, that assertion has been broken.

In the German legal system, you could now demand from the vendor to satisfy the contract (i. e., deliver an equivalent Flash-capable phone) or have the contract nullified (i. e., get your money back and out of your x-month contract, perhaps minus a proportional fee for your network use so far).  The legal party for you to deal with is the vendor, not Motorola (of course, the vendor itself could take up its grievances with Motorola in another case, but that is not your problem). It is not warranty or a "return period" that is the legal basis of this, but non-fulfilment of a contract.

Sorry, I do not know what your rights are in the US, but they should be somewhat similar, provided that the assertion of a Flash-capable phone was part of the sale.

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Re: Froyo on the US XT720 ?

2011-01-16, 3:50 AM

if you guys want froyo 2.2 for our phones

then you better join the fight at XDA, they are hiring a private developer to get it working

http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=930

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Re: Froyo on the US XT720 ?

2011-01-16, 10:37 AM

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if you guys want froyo 2.2 for our phones [...]

You are correct in that the only way of obtaining FroYo on the phone would be to use an unofficial software load.  Talking about these is forbidden in this forum, so some Motorola-sanctioned moderator will soon delete this info from your posting.

The only Motorola-sanctioned way of running FroYo is to get a different phone.  If FroYo or Flash capability is part of your contract (that is, the features your phone was advertised to have), insisting on your contract being fulfilled should get you some kind of solution.  Your counter-party in this discussion is the vendor/carrier you have the contract with, so probably not Motorola.

To avoid such problems in the future, I suggest that everyone refrain from buying Motorola phones - their phones with the locked bootloaders have planned obsolescence built into them, and this seems to kick in after 1 to 12 months, when Android updates do not get transferred to the phones any more by Motorola.

For future Motorola phones (ATRIX, BIONIC, XOOM) there is no reliable information whether they will have locked bootloaders: Motorola have declared their intention to lock down all Android phones, but they may not succeed in doing so with the new chipsets.  So their phones should not be bought until they are certain not to be crippled to become obsolete prematurely.  Given Motorola's declared intent plus the possibility of locking down a phone with some later update, even a phone that is initially unlocked is not safe to buy from Motorola.

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Re: Froyo on the US XT720 ?

2011-01-17, 1:27 AM

There's an interesting post from an "insider" explaining how Samsung Galaxy S has become stuck on 2.1 in the US due to business agreements:



http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=913045

Previously, it had been rumored that Samsung was delaying the upgrade solely to increase the sales of its upcoming phones. That may well be the motivation behind how Samsung treats upgrades in its maintenance fees. This meshes well with what I think is going on with the XT720. Thought this might be interesting for people like me that have become forced to be interested in this sort of intrigue. It seems that perhaps there is currently a carriers vs manufacturers battle going on behind the scenes.

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Re: Froyo on the US XT720 ?

2011-01-17, 1:32 AM

I would agree but since there are so many different carriers that carry this

single phone, versus one phone on one provider, there would have to be

individual agreements for each carrier.

Also, the Galaxy S phones are getting an upgrade where as the XT720 is not,

so the comparison isn't very accurate, but I see what you're getting at.

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Re: Froyo on the US XT720 ?

2011-01-17, 3:42 AM

the Galaxy S are already in 2.2 all of them

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