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Re: Nougat update news for ALL G4

2017-02-28, 19:22 PM

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You don't have to root your phone to run LineageOS/Cyanogenmod.  Simply unlock the bootloader then install the ROM.


What does not-root matter? If you unlock the bootloader, the security model is broken. Lineage is pre-rooted. But if you want to go back to stock, make sure there is an official ROM before you commit - Moto has only published a few ROMs. 


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Re: Nougat update news for ALL G4

2017-02-28, 19:24 PM

Iainmd. Really? Just like side loading the soak test? Without twrp?

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Re: Nougat update news for ALL G4

2017-02-28, 19:26 PM

The build on my Moto G 1st gen is not pre-rooted. Lineage provide a package to root if I want to but I don't. Arguably the security model is broken by running a stock ROM that has seen no updates in a year.

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Re: Nougat update news for ALL G4

2017-02-28, 19:27 PM

You do need twrp, yes.  Sorry, forgot that bit :-(

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Re: Nougat update news for ALL G4

2017-02-28, 19:31 PM

Oh right thought there was an easier option out then lol

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Re: Nougat update news for ALL G4

2017-02-28, 19:31 PM

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You do need twrp, yes.  Sorry, forgot that bit :-(


Installing TWRP does a temp root. Lineage is pre-rooted according to all the docs, you just have to go into dev options and enable it. That is different then gaining root by using an exploit - which is how other phones OS are rooted. 

 

 


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Re: Nougat update news for ALL G4

2017-02-28, 19:37 PM

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The build on my Moto G 1st gen is not pre-rooted. Lineage provide a package to root if I want to but I don't. Arguably the security model is broken by running a stock ROM that has seen no updates in a year.


No, just because you don't a patch for a vulnerability (not an exploit - big difference) doesn't mean the model is broken.

 

But unlocking your bootloader and rooting means anyone can flash your phone if they pick it up off the street. And if rooted, it means that software can be installed without your knowledge if it gains root access. 

 

Locked bootloader, means no OS can be flashed, and Android FRP is intact. And without root being achieved, malicious code can't run, it can't replace system binaries etc. 

 

If a security update is missing, an exploit still has to be created in order to use the vulnerability that was published. That is what most people miss... they see the vulnerability and panic. But without an exploit, the vulnerability is not that much of a concern - especially if you understand all the other layers of protection that are in place. 

 

 


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Re: Nougat update news for ALL G4

2017-02-28, 19:41 PM

I don't necessarily disagree with most of what you've written but the one thing I do disagree with is if the vendor doesn't patch vulnerabilities then I'm sorry but the security model is indeed broken because clearly the vendor either doesn't have one, they have abandoned it or it's completely neglected.

 

Other than that I agree.

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Re: Nougat update news for ALL G4

2017-02-28, 19:50 PM

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I don't necessarily disagree with most of what you've written but the one thing I do disagree with is if the vendor doesn't patch vulnerabilities then I'm sorry but the security model is indeed broken because clearly the vendor either doesn't have one or they abandoned it.

 

Other than that I agree.


But a vulnerability is not an exploit and security is all about managing risk. 

 

Your house and car have no security, yet you lock your doors every day to prevent theft. A brick will bypass all the security your car and home has, yet no one is putting bars on their car windows, or demanding 1" thick bulletproof glass. 

 

So why is patching the vulnerability on your phone more important then home security? There are no working exploits for the vulnerabilities that are getting patched, but everyone wants the patch now. Yet most homes have no bars, and the locked doors can be kicked in - and that is nothing to worry about. 

 

Your phone and computer are at risk every time they connect to the internet. Even air gapped PCs (and likely phones) are able to be attacked now via EM leakage. GSM has all kinds of security vulnerabilities and is easily compromised (phone security can't fix that either) - so risks are take every day. No one wants to worry about that though. 

 

But the truth is that Android 6 - even if all the patches are not there is a secure OS. There are layers of protection that mitigate vulnerabilities - especially with no working exploits. 


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Re: Nougat update news for ALL G4

2017-02-28, 19:50 PM

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downloading - yay me! here's hoping it fixes my irritating BT issue...:smileymad:


You are from US? And you are getting Nougat?

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