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Re: X1 Carbon Gen 6 cannot enter deep sleep (S3 state aka Suspend-to-RAM) on Linux

2018-06-26, 21:49 PM

The reason is not that S3 is not possible, Lenovo just dont want it. I run OS X on my X1 Yoga 3rd. I just insert S3 sleep in Custom DSDT, and voilla, S3 is working.

 

 

If lenovo will not change their way i will stop buying Hardware from them (Since years i always bought Lenovo). Its just a shame, first the hoax with the Fake HDR Display, then removing S3 sleep and Lenovo still dont give a **bleep** to wishes and criticsm from their customers. So i can go to Dell, Apple, HP or even Microsoft. They do many things better that Lenovo did with actual gen. 

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Re: X1 Carbon Gen 6 cannot enter deep sleep (S3 state aka Suspend-to-RAM) on Linux

2018-06-26, 21:56 PM

@ateijelo I looked into this when you posted it, but saw that Fedora doesn't have a /usr/share/initramfs-tools, and didn't have time to look into it further.

 

A quick search just now revealed that Fedora uses Dracut for it's initramfs infrastructure, so that's probably the path I'd have to go down to solve the issue. Once I've got some time to throw at the problem, I'll look into it more. Thanks for the lead. :-)

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Re: X1 Carbon Gen 6 cannot enter deep sleep (S3 state aka Suspend-to-RAM) on Linux

2018-06-26, 23:06 PM

Suprisingly, with the X1, I'm having some problems with the keyboard, a few keys are imperfect, a bit stucky and the scroll up key is tilted.

 

Linux Compatibilty of the X1: S3 runs with 0.4W for me, not excellent, but sufficent. WiFi and Touchpad Tap-To-Click sometimes stop working after sleep. At the moment of writing, the LTE vendor is not compatible with current Linux kernels and the Memory Card Reader had to be deactivated, too. Lenovo also made changes to the Trackpoint and Touchpad interfaces, so you have to decide which one to use of both, and you also loose the mouse trackpoint buttons if you opt for the tochpad in Bios.

 

In conclusion it is more than obvious that Linux and FOSS philantropy are just an afterthought at Lenovo and Linux/Unix-users are not their target user group, which is funny, since all our Cloud Architects and the CTO of the company I work with, rely soley on Linux as their daily machines.

 

If unsure, and build quality is not a prio, look at the Manjaro Spitfire, which offers 1,5TB Storage and 32GB RAM for less cash and is fully build for Linux.

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Re: X1 Carbon Gen 6 cannot enter deep sleep (S3 state aka Suspend-to-RAM) on Linux

2018-06-27, 0:15 AM

Serious?

MBP was never an option. Extrem bad keyboard, no possibility for service (no cleaning of fans, no change of SSD, no change of  battery, no change of Wifi, no possibility of WAN). Loud fan in high usage too.

 

I can recommend the X1 Yoga 3rd. Its the better X1 Carbon 6th. Yes, its a little bit heavier and the display bezels are a little bit thicker but compared to the X1 Carbon 6th gen the WQHD (Fake HDR) is more anti reflective, the speakers are much much better and then there is touch and pencil support. Cardreader at the back is better in handling too.

 

My Keyboard is almost perfect. Never had any problem with mine. Iam just dissapointed because Lenovo lies related to HDR and is still advertising wrong features. :(

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Re: X1 Carbon Gen 6 cannot enter deep sleep (S3 state aka Suspend-to-RAM) on Linux

2018-06-27, 0:27 AM

@tim54 don't buy it. Not worth it. I bought a Dell XPS 3.5 years ago and it's still running great. I would recommend that over this any day. I only got this one because my department had extra money to burn. We should avoid giving in to a company that doesn't care like this.

 

Lenovo's stock is dropping. Maybe it'll drop low enough and a more decent company will buy back ThinkPad.

We can help by no longer buying from them.

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Re: X1 Carbon Gen 6 cannot enter deep sleep (S3 state aka Suspend-to-RAM) on Linux

2018-06-27, 1:53 AM
In MBP from 2015 (still on sale) you can exchange the SSD and self-service the fans. Tools are some 20 bucks at iFixIt.

What fake HDR? I am coming from a 5k LG Ultrafine screen and the Carbon's HDR Glossy is absolutely stunning with 4K UHD Material. Linux supports the driver as tested in depth by Golem.de

I saw Yoga today at work and its display color range and relative bulkyness are not on par with a 1kg Carbon.

My Keyboard is not perfect, I have problems with mine, its why I'm exchanging my Carbon.
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Re: X1 Carbon Gen 6 cannot enter deep sleep (S3 state aka Suspend-to-RAM) on Linux

2018-06-27, 6:42 AM

Curious on BIOS 1.23. I have this question because I had a bad experience with 1.15. 1.15 makes power consumption higher than 1.13, so I flashed back.  BTW, my fix is based on https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Lenovo_ThinkPad_X1_Carbon_(Gen_6) 

 

1.23 shows it has  Security fix addresses LEN-22133 Speculative Execution Side Channel Variants 4
and 3a (CVE-2018-3639, CVE-2018-3640). So I think it would be better if I can upgrade to it without new problem as with 1.15. 

 

Anybody tried 1.23? 

 

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Re: X1 Carbon Gen 6 cannot enter deep sleep (S3 state aka Suspend-to-RAM) on Linux

2018-06-27, 8:59 AM

Its just a fake HDR Display, yeah it looks stunning. But it cant handle HDR content. (Its just faking).

 

- No 10 Bit input (there is no option to use 10bit output in Hostsystem, Yeah Panel is only 8bit, but as long as host outputs in 8 bit, no HDR is possible)

 

- The only way to playback HDR content is Windows with Edge in Youtube. This option came with latest update. But its still a fake HDR. (You can even enable this on old devices like Y1 Yoga 2nd Gen). Displayproperties showing, no HDR, no BT2020 Colorspace... just an (ok its a good one) normal IPS 8bit Display. No HDR. Even Windows says: no HDS (you cant enable HDR, only the fake HDR-SDR Option for Videos in Edge. (You can do this with almost all Displays)

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Re: X1 Carbon Gen 6 cannot enter deep sleep (S3 state aka Suspend-to-RAM) on Linux

2018-06-27, 12:59 PM

@ateijelo--Good to hear that you got things working with Debian. Costco has a tempting deal on the X1 now: 512 gb SSD with 16 gb memory, i7, for $1,499, with a generous 90-day return period so I might go for it, despite my misgivings about Lenovo's lack of commitment to Linux. I have also been looking at HP''s elite book series, some of which are sold without windows pre-installed.

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Re: X1 Carbon Gen 6 cannot enter deep sleep (S3 state aka Suspend-to-RAM) on Linux

2018-06-27, 13:25 PM

I'd totally go for it.

 

Yes, Lenovo has let us down. Yes, the HDR screen is not really HDR (perhaps Lenovo can be sued for falsely advertising an HDR screen).

 

But the machine is still amazing, the "HDR" screen looks beautiful and the keyboard feels like no other I've tried. And after fixing the sleep issue I've had zero problems with it. I'm happy with it.

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