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Re: Announcing Password Manager 4 beta-testing program

2011-12-20, 22:07 PM

Ok, that's what I thought!

Its just that your use of the word "dead" scared me; like no more Password Manager ever :smileysurprised:.

I look forward for the final version in 2012. Thanks!


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Re: Announcing Password Manager 4 beta-testing program

2011-12-20, 22:14 PM

no more updated versions of the beta the beta testing has end

 

I hope the release of the New PWM comes early in 2012 I like it a lot more than the old CSS version, but if not I 'll just keep using the beta




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Re: Announcing Password Manager 4 beta-testing program

2011-12-21, 9:31 AM
Is there a key shortcut to force fill in of passwords into a field? I have a few windows applications (eg. Putty Agent) which come with a password prompt that isn't detected the first time when it comes but in the old PWM the shortcut helped.

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Re: Announcing Password Manager 4 beta-testing program

2011-12-23, 15:08 PM

Hi everybody,

 

I tried PWM 4 with FF9 German and it works fine.

 

Merry Xmas and happy new year

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Re: Announcing Password Manager 4 beta-testing program

2012-01-04, 18:39 PM

I've just installed Password Manager V4 on my Windows 7 SP1 64-bit system and can report that the password manager works with Firefox 9.01.

Here's some feedback:

1) I installed using the upgrade_pwmgr script. In the Control Panel in Programs and Features I see that the Password Manager Patch for Firefox 4 is still installed. Can or should this be removed?

2) Also, both c:\Program Files\Lenovo and c:\Program FIles (x86)\Lenovo have what appear to be the old CSS subdirectories still in place: \Client Security Solution\. Can or should these directories be removed?

3) I consistently use the detail view in the password manager GUI, yet every time the password manager is opened I'm returned to the icon view. I suggest the behavior be similar to the Windows Explorer where the view is the last view used.

4) In a post on 12-16-11 @someotherguy wrote that the "Password manager has always stored passwords on the hard drive.  With the old version that is integrated with CSS, the passwords are encrypted by a key that comes from the chip (TPM).  With version 4, the passwords are encrypted by a key that comes from windows". Wasn't the purpose of the chip (TPM) to provide higher security than storing the key on the HDD where its location is known to knowledgeable programmers? In short, doesn't this defeat the purpose of TPM and downgrade the security of the machine?

5) And as a follow-on to comment #4 above, is TPM being used at all any more? I ask because part of the functionality of CSS was TPM management and that functionality is now absent.

Thanks.

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Re: Announcing Password Manager 4 beta-testing program

2012-01-04, 21:14 PM

wrote:


Here's some feedback:

1) I installed using the upgrade_pwmgr script. In the Control Panel in Programs and Features I see that the Password Manager Patch for Firefox 4 is still installed. Can or should this be removed?

2) Also, both c:\Program Files\Lenovo and c:\Program FIles (x86)\Lenovo have what appear to be the old CSS subdirectories still in place: \Client Security Solution\. Can or should these directories be removed?

3) I consistently use the detail view in the password manager GUI, yet every time the password manager is opened I'm returned to the icon view. I suggest the behavior be similar to the Windows Explorer where the view is the last view used.

@4) In a post on 12-16-11 wrote that the "Password manager has always stored passwords on the hard drive.  With the old version that is integrated with CSS, the passwords are encrypted by a key that comes from the chip (TPM).  With version 4, the passwords are encrypted by a key that comes from windows". Wasn't the purpose of the chip (TPM) to provide higher security than storing the key on the HDD where its location is known to knowledgeable programmers? In short, doesn't this defeat the purpose of TPM and downgrade the security of the machine?

5) And as a follow-on to comment #4 above, is TPM being used at all any more? I ask because part of the functionality of CSS was TPM management and that functionality is now absent.


1.  it should not be needed anymore, but if it's not causing a problem, I'd recommend leaving it alone.  I always recommend not trying to fix something that isn't broken.

2.  If CSS is uninstalled, then those folders can be deleted if you want to delete them.

 

3.  It was a bug found during the beta test (which ended last month) and it will be fixed in a future release of password manager.

 

As for your 4 and 5 points, Password Manager is a convenience application, not a security application.  Password Manager is great for what it does, but nobody that uses a password banking application has security as their #1 concern.  We had lots of feedback that the vast majority of Password Manager users did not want or appreciate the complexity of using the TPM.  The previous version of Password Manager only used the TPM to encrypt the very small portion of the HDD that contains the password manager database.  If you're serious about security, then you're using bitlocker or some similar application that uses the TPM to encrypt every sector of the HDD, including the password manager database.  In the age of full-disk encryption, there is really no purpose for CSS anymore.  This is why Password Manager was detached from the TPM.   So use Password Manager to bank your passwords, and use another application like bitlocker for security purposes.

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Re: Announcing Password Manager 4 beta-testing program

2012-01-05, 0:27 AM

@ Someotherguy and Lenovo staff et all, 

Thank you again for working on PWM!!

I am using the PWM 4 beta (and eagerly waiting for the full release version) with Chrome 16.0.912.63 m and I.E.9.  FINALLY I can use either browser with my passwords being all in one spot!!!!  AWESOME!!!

Other than PWM pop-up windows that come up from time to time wanting to store sites that I already have set up (I just haven't felt like working on this yet as it isn't an every time thing!  ;-) I AM REALLY ENJOYING THIS!!

I know that the read-me file for this said that it only works with up to Chrome 14, let me reassure anyone concerned, it's working GREAT for me!  I prefer using Chrome but there are still sites that I use that need I.E.9 and I have no worries at all!

 

THANKS AGAIN LENOVO!!!!

 

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Re: Announcing Password Manager 4 beta-testing program

2012-01-05, 1:31 AM

@someotherguy,

 

Thanks for your rather quick reply.

 

At this point in time I'd prefer to continue use CSS. Can we anticipate an update to CSS 8.21 for Windows 7 that supports Firefox 9 as does the XP and Vista versions of CSS available in Document ID: DS014164?

 

Many thanks.

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Re: Announcing Password Manager 4 beta-testing program

2012-01-05, 1:55 AM

Mainframer, to avoid confusing people who are reading this thread about Password Manager 4, I'm not going to talk about CSS things here.  Please open a new thread if you want to keep talking about old CSS.  thanks for understanding.

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Re: Announcing Password Manager 4 beta-testing program

2012-01-05, 2:05 AM

Someotherguy, I completely understand. I reposted my question on CSS in the thread Password Manager compatibility issue with Firefox 9.

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