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Home Environment - How to set up Update Retriever (UR) and Thin Installer (TI) in a home environment

2009-05-06, 15:39 PM

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You need to go to This Page and download just about everything on it -espeically the  System Update Deployment Guide and start reading.  It'll take you a few hours to learn what you need to do and implement it if you are familar with editing system registeries and you have some luck and everything goes well.


You do NOT need to edit registry, just use Thin Installer instead of System Update on the clients. And there is no need to wade thru the deployment guide if you are setting this up in a home environment for just one or two clients.

 

Edit: Note that Thin Installer does not run on Vista SP2 (neither does System Update.)

 

Here are the few simple things you have to do:

 

1. Download Update Retriever (UR) and Thin Installer (TI) from here.

 

2. Install UR on one pc and TI on all clients you want to keep updated. UR installs into the Start -- All Programs -- Thinkvantage folder, TI installs into c:\program files\thininstaller.

 

3. To initialize Update Retriever:

 

a) specify the download folder, pick a place all clients can access. Create a new folder, TI will be confused if there is other stuff in it.

 

b) change the settings to Severity -- Optional (assuming you want to see critical, recommended and optional downloads in the list), License -- Do not display and Status -- Active. After clicking next you enter the machine type, the op system and its language for each client you need to keep updated. Note that unless you change status to active everything will download as "test" and thus not be installed by the Thin Installer.

 

4. Run the download, about 1 - 1.5GB for the first type, opsys and language combination  and an additional 0.5 - 1GB for each additional type depending on amount of overlap. You can be selective what you download but if you are an average home user -- just download all the items for your type/opsys/language combination(s) -- Thin Installer is a stripped down version of System Update and will decide what to install on the individual client. This is a one-time download, next time you run Update Retriever it will just download new drivers.

 

5. To initialize TI on each client, copy the program from the Program Files directory and paste a shortcut to the desktop. Then rightclick on the shortcut and choose Properties, and in the target field of the shortcut tab after "C:\Program Files\ThinInstaller\ThinInstaller.exe" add the following: -repository your_UR_download_directory.

 

6. Run the Thin installer on each client, it will perform exactly as System Update did, down to making the same mistakes that System Update did.

 

7. As the date is getting close when Windows Update will start distributing Vista SP2 you may want to consider using Microsoft's SPBlockerTools preventing SP2 installation for up to 12 months.

 

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8. Debugging Tips

 

TI ending with message An error occurred while gathering user information is reported when running under Vista SP2 -- TI will not run in SP2. :smileysad:

 

Getting TI to "see" the database downloaded by UR is the main problem. If TI ends with a message saying corrupt or not found database you probably made a spelling mistake in the directory specified in the -repository parameter. If TI ends with a message saying no applicable packages to install it can mean a number of things:

 

a) If you are unused to modifying the parameters in a shortcut you may have added -repository to the second field in the shortcut tab instead of the top field labeled Target, the two fields look very similar or you just made a typo in "-repository".

 

b) Open UR again and first choose Modify settings on the left and double check that the directory there is the same directory you specified in -repository. Then choose Manage repository -- Update view and double check that all packages have status Active. If they don't it's not necessary to download again, just select all and hit the modify button to change status from Test to Active.

 

c) In C:\Program Files\ThinInstaller\logs there are update logs from TI. Open one using Notepad and in edit menu search for the string

Message: 'Share name' to use:

This will tell you in which directory TI is searching for the updates. If it can't find a -repository parameter it uses an empty default databse

 

d) If you used System Update regularly up to when it stopped working on April 1 and if you have an older model with not so many new driver updates it may actually happen that there are no new updates for your machine (even though you downloaded a lot.) Go to here and enter all fields except model to see what Lenovo shipped after April 1. (Don't click on driver matrices, staying on the downloads and drivers pages will give you a list in chronological order with the ones after April 1 at the top.)  Also  be aware that the database UR downloads from is at least 2 weeks behind when the drivers first become available on the web. Right now, the only new download in the database  applicable to most notebooks after April 1 is the Access Connections 5.22 driver. To check what release you have installed open Access Connections and go to help.

 

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I just did a clean install of a Vista64 system on my T500 and after installing the first few drivers manually (including drivers for harddisk and ethernet) let Thin Installer install the remaining 36 items for me. The only item left to fix was the known bug in the Ricoh 4 in 1 card driver SU installation. (For a clean install you need to run TI or SU more than once, it doesn't find all drivers the first time.)

Message Edited by JaneL on 05-08-2009 10:30 PM
Message Edited by zilla on 2009-05-28 12:48 PM

T500: Vista 32, 2.8GHz, 4GB RAM, 15.4" 1680x1050, 500GB 7200rpm, ATI Radeon HD3650 + Intel 4500MHD. T42: XP, 1.7GHz, 2GB RAM, 14.1" 1024x768, 250GB PATA, ATI Radeon 7500.

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Re: Changes to System Update and related tools - Please read

2009-05-06, 15:48 PM
All well and good but TI is no where near as robust as TVSU.  Have tried it (TI) and hated it.
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Re: Changes to System Update and related tools - Please read

2009-05-06, 15:52 PM

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All well and good but TI is no where near as robust as TVSU.  Have tried it (TI) and hated it.

Why? TI is the same as SU just without all the overhead. I didn't find any difference in quality or function. Please be specific if you know of any TI problems. A lot of us home users will be using it unless Lenovo comes up with something better -- and I doubt a LANDesk based solution would be easier for us to use.

T500: Vista 32, 2.8GHz, 4GB RAM, 15.4" 1680x1050, 500GB 7200rpm, ATI Radeon HD3650 + Intel 4500MHD. T42: XP, 1.7GHz, 2GB RAM, 14.1" 1024x768, 250GB PATA, ATI Radeon 7500.

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2009-05-06, 16:03 PM

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All well and good but TI is no where near as robust as TVSU.  Have tried it (TI) and hated it.

Why? TI is the same as SU just without all the overhead. I didn't find any difference in quality or function. Please be specific if you know of any TI problems. A lot of us home users will be using it unless Lenovo comes up with something better -- and I doubt a LANDesk based solution would be easier for us to use.


 

Tell you what i will do, I will give it another go and get back to you.  The thin Installer is not heavily pushed or promoted by Lenovo so I did not put much effort into it.  In a corporate environment remote management/control is important in being able to maintain order and if TI is unable to be managed with Group Policy then it is useless to corporate america.
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2009-05-06, 16:11 PM

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Tell you what i will do, I will give it another go and get back to you.  The thin Installer is not heavily pushed or promoted by Lenovo so I did not put much effort into it.

Thank you :smileyhappy:

T500: Vista 32, 2.8GHz, 4GB RAM, 15.4" 1680x1050, 500GB 7200rpm, ATI Radeon HD3650 + Intel 4500MHD. T42: XP, 1.7GHz, 2GB RAM, 14.1" 1024x768, 250GB PATA, ATI Radeon 7500.

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Re: Changes to System Update and related tools - Please read

2009-05-06, 18:21 PM
When I start TI after I pointed it to my repository I get a message that no packages applicable were found.  I did not download all the updates just a few to test it, will it not work unless all updates are downloaded?
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2009-05-06, 19:07 PM

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When I start TI after I pointed it to my repository I get a message that no packages applicable were found.  I did not download all the updates just a few to test it, will it not work unless all updates are downloaded?

Did you change status from test to active in UR before downloading? If not you can change the downloaded items in the manage repository menu.

 

Assuming the items you did download were not already installed on your client with TI it should work.

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T500: Vista 32, 2.8GHz, 4GB RAM, 15.4" 1680x1050, 500GB 7200rpm, ATI Radeon HD3650 + Intel 4500MHD. T42: XP, 1.7GHz, 2GB RAM, 14.1" 1024x768, 250GB PATA, ATI Radeon 7500.

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2009-05-08, 16:05 PM

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Tell you what i will do, I will give it another go and get back to you.  The thin Installer is not heavily pushed or promoted by Lenovo so I did not put much effort into it.

Thank you :smileyhappy:


OK, I gave it another go.  Configured it to point to my repository.  While it did work "OK" it is still not even close to having the capabilities I need for a corporate environment.  Great for home use (but because it is a small ver of TVSU it probably does not work anymore either) but to 'clunky' for corpoate automation and support.

 

If you use and like TI, more power to ya.

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Re: Changes to System Update and related tools - Please read

2009-05-08, 16:10 PM
This is just to record my dismay at the way Lenovo has pulled down a perfectly fine utility, and then has refused to even acknowledge deluge of disappointment expressed by the community.
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2009-05-08, 17:23 PM

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Great for home use (but because it is a small ver of TVSU it probably does not work anymore either)

Yes Thin Installer works fine in a home environment as long as you first download with Update Retriever. It was  never possible to use TI directly against the Lenovo database so there was no reason for Lenovo to block it the way they did with SU.

T500: Vista 32, 2.8GHz, 4GB RAM, 15.4" 1680x1050, 500GB 7200rpm, ATI Radeon HD3650 + Intel 4500MHD. T42: XP, 1.7GHz, 2GB RAM, 14.1" 1024x768, 250GB PATA, ATI Radeon 7500.

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