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Repair MBR

2010-08-01, 19:56 PM

I found a file on the Lenovo website (repairmbr.iso) that I downloaded and burned to a CD  incase the Master Boot Record gets corrupted or infected with a virus on my W7 (X200) or  Vista (A61E) systems ...and PF11 becomes unavailable..  Both my PCs have up-to-date Rescue and Recovery installed.  

 

I want to know if this repairmbr.iso  is still the recommended method for reinstating the MBR on a Lenovo PC.  

 

My T23 does not have R+R, so I know it will not work there.  

 

 

 

 

 

T23: 2647-8RU, Ubuntu 12.04 LTS
A61E: 6418-12U, W7/Pro 64
X200: 7454-CTO, W7/Pro 32

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Re: Repair MBR

2010-08-01, 23:49 PM

Hi emmjay,

 

I found this link which I assume is the one you are referring too. It specifically states that this fix would be used if you cannot boot into windows after installing or  upgrading  a  version of R&R (unspecified). The fix is dated 28/07/28.

 

Reading the installation instructions, it indicates that this fix is for Windows 2000 and XP. So I guess it would not necessarily be applicable to Vista or Win 7. 

 

But say you cannot boot into windows one day; this does give you another option before resorting to reinstalling a backup using your recovery media.

 

Hopefully you will never have to use it!

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Re: Repair MBR

2010-08-02, 23:38 PM

Hi Candive,  Tnx for your quick response.

 

Yes that is the link I found. I understand that Lenovo puts some very specific code into the Master Boot Sector for R+R and that repairing the MBR using  Microsoft (or other techsite offerings)  will  not give you access to PF11 (no access to stored backups).   

 

 I assumed that  in the case of  R+R not installing properly, the repair CD would not be looking for a specific version of R+R (e.g. up to V4.2, re:XP), it would just be rewriting the mbr and accessing the bmgr32.exe in IBMTOOLS, allowing the user to reboot the system (with PF11 reset for an R+R reinstall).  That is why I thought it might work on any OS.   I may not be properly understanding the process.

 

Have you come across a repairmbr on the Lenovo website for W7 or Vista?   

 

 

T23: 2647-8RU, Ubuntu 12.04 LTS
A61E: 6418-12U, W7/Pro 64
X200: 7454-CTO, W7/Pro 32

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Re: Repair MBR

2010-08-03, 7:53 AM

OR, if you have a Windows Vista or Windows 7 installation DVD, just boot up the PC from that DVD, select the repair option, open a command prompt, and use the "bootrec.exe" command to fix either the Master Boot Record or the boot sector.  Note:  ThinkPads don't normally come with this DVD, since they have a OEM preload installation.   But, if you have a retail or enterprise-licensed DVD, you can use it for this purpose.

 

See:  http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd744577%28WS.10%29.aspx

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Re: Repair MBR

2010-08-03, 13:58 PM

Hello Steve,

I very much appreciate your response, however my Vista and W7 are preloaded by Lenovo.  I would expect that the majority of users now have preloaded operating systems and not standalone windows installation disks.  

 

It is somewhat confusing to see an XP repair MBR from Lenovo, but not one for W7 and Vista. XP is being phased out by MS (attempting it anyways).    I understand that if a Lenovo user needs the mbr repaired due to a virus infection or unexplained corruption (as in, not a  hardware problem)  it is not covered under warranty.  

 

I find this disappointing from one of the premier PC providers. It gives me the impression that they are not aware of the current environment in which the next generation of virus infections are centered. A virus that targets the mbr is not detected by any of the existing antivirus or malware applications...they only see it after the infection has taken hold (NOT BEFORE).  Microsoft recommends a factory reinstall if this happens.    Tnx to Lenovo that I can do a factory reinstall on my W7 and Vista PCs, but I would much rather use my most recent R+R backup (this is soooooo value-add). 

 

I would like to see Lenovo get proactive on this (late is better than never).  Put out a repairmbr.iso  for W7 and Vista asap.   Happy users buy new products from value-add providers and R+R is a value-add application. Why diminish its value ? 

 

 

 

T23: 2647-8RU, Ubuntu 12.04 LTS
A61E: 6418-12U, W7/Pro 64
X200: 7454-CTO, W7/Pro 32

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Re: Repair MBR

2010-08-03, 18:54 PM

There is the Rescue and Recovery - Recovery repair diskette for Vista, which I know is not compatible with W7. There is a note;

 

Note: This package does not support Rescue and Recovery version 4.3 which is for Windows 7 operating system. If you encounter the problem in Windows 7, please re-install Rescue and Recovery 4.3. It could also re-enable the F11 function.

 

And yes I know it's only a diskette and not an ISO and the advice about reinstalling R&R might not help if you can't boot your system. I felt it might help someone at some stage and will try and find out if there is a utility that I haven't discovered yet.

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Re: Repair MBR

2010-08-03, 20:05 PM

Most appreciated Andy.  

 

 

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Re: Repair MBR

2010-08-03, 20:09 PM

In your scenario, where you describe needing to recover, using R&R, you have a solution.  If you backed up to an external hard disk (either USB or eSATA, using the latest version of R&R), it installed a bootable "mini" version of Windows on that drive, sufficient for R&R to clean and repartition the ThinkPad's drive.  It also offered you the opportunity to create a bootable rescue CD.  I have used this program to successfully repartition and reinstall Windows on both completely blank, unformatted drives, and on drives corrupted beyond any hope of recovery.  It simply works.

 

All major OEM PC vendors now preload Windows and do not supply standalone copies of Windows media.  This is not limited to Lenovo; it's the way Microsoft licenses Windows to large OEMs.  Lenovo took the extra step to give you, the customer, the ability to proactively create standalone, bootable R&R rescue media.  If you are still not happy with that solution, and you know enough about PCs to be discussing MBRs and boot virus issues, then you likely have access to a full copy of Windows somewhere, to temporarily use for repair purposes, per my previous posting.  If you don't like THAT option, then download a free copy of any Linux distribution, like Ubuntu, and use it to fix your drive's MBR.

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Re: Repair MBR

2010-08-04, 16:47 PM

Steve,

 I am not an expert on anything, I am just trying to understand how to use my system recovery application as it was designed to be used.  I am concerned about losing the MBR if a virus hits it.  I have read that bootkits are difficult to remove and I would like to be prepared if that were to happen to me. I would prefer a Lenovo solution to a generic solution due to the investment that I have made in using R+R.   The R+R help screens do not address MBR recovery and that is why I came to the forum for help.   

 

Thank you for your input. I appreciate any info that will help me understand and position my system for the most painless recovery possible. If the R+R media discs allow me to use them to recover the mbr, it would be nice to know that.  I was not aware that the Recovery CD from W7 allowed me to recover a corrupted mbr. I thought it just allowed me to boot into my PC , bypassing the 'C' version of the mbr (correct me if I am wrong).   I thought  I needed a repairmbr utility from Lenovo to do the repair. 

 

I do not have an external hard drive attached to my W7.  I have one attached to my Vista system, but it is a storage device only (not bootable ...this is where I save my incremental backups).  I think this means that I need a bootable version of the Lenovo mbr on a CD to boot  OS .  I have the factory install discs for Vista ...would the startup disc be the equivalent to a rescue CD? .... can not find any text info that tells me that ). Can I boot from it?

 

I do have a copy of the factory install of W7 on DVD (did it when I got the X200).  I may even have a recovery CD. 

 

Tnx for the info on Linux. I did not consider that as an option.    

 

I have options ... that is good.  However, I have to determine the hidden capabilities of the rescue media and wade into Linux for a solution.    Why not just provide a repairmbr.iso  for Vista and W7t on the Lenovo website as it has been done for XP?    

 

 

 

T23: 2647-8RU, Ubuntu 12.04 LTS
A61E: 6418-12U, W7/Pro 64
X200: 7454-CTO, W7/Pro 32

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Re: Repair MBR

2010-08-04, 17:03 PM

 


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Why not just provide a repairmbr.iso  for Vista and W7t on the Lenovo website as it has been done for XP?    

 

 

 


A darn good question.  I've posed it to development.  I'll be out for a few days, but will hopefully have a decent answer when I return.

 

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