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Lenovo M710 M910 Tiny: second M.2 slot for SSD, HDD drive height, USB Type C (M710q, M910q, M910x)

2017-06-15, 4:21 AM

USB Type C

 

There is no option for USB Type C optional connector order customize page for Lenovo M910 Tiny. But that option is mentioned in the PDF spec and on the product page. 

 

Is it a bug of the customize page, error in spec or temporary unavalilability? I'm in US, if region is important.

 

Does anyone where able to order M910 Tiny with USB Type C option?

 

Another question is if LG Ultrafine HKMY2VC/A 24.5" 4K Display will be supported then? It has USB Type C only connector as far as I know. 

 

Second M.2 Port

 

There is a second M.2 port / socket (or something that have the size of the M.2 port / socket). What is it for? Why not in spec? Can second NVME M.2 SSD could be installed there? Or is it for Intel Optane or what?

 

The port is drawn on page 6 of HMM for M910q (https://download.lenovo.com/pccbbs/thinkcentre_pdf/m910q_ug_hmm_en.pdf). There is no description provided there.

 

Here is the photo from some Finnish(?) retailer:

 

Also attaching the same pic in case link will be broken in future.

 

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M910 and M910Q

2017-06-15, 6:07 AM

I've noticed that M910 Tiny and M910Q Tiny used kinda interchangebly on the Lenovo web sites.

 

Say, on PSREF page is titled "ThinkCentre M910 Tiny" and Product column in table is has "ThinkCentre M910q Tiny"

 

Does that mean the same thing? Is M910 = M910Q ?

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Lenovo M910 Tiny: Max HDD height?

2017-06-15, 6:54 AM

It looks like HDD mount is completely redesigned in M910 Tiny, not similar to M900 at all!

 

Question: which max HDD z-height new mount supports? 7mm? 9.5mm? 12.5mm? 15mm?

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Re: Lenovo M910 Tiny: Max HDD height?

2017-06-15, 21:08 PM

1.   There is no option for USB Type C optional connector order customize page for Lenovo M910 Tiny. But that option is mentioned in the PDF spec and on the product page.   Will a monitor like a LG Ultrafine HKMY2VC/A 24.5" 4K Display be supported then?

 

M910q supports USB 3.1, however it does not implement the USB-C plug type.    It should work if you have a USB-C to USB-A converter, but I believe you will need some type of software installed in the OS for the video to work, however a definitive answer is not possible without testing.  

 

2.   There appears to be a second M.2 SSD size slot.  What is it for?  Can second NVME M.2 SSD could be installed there? Or is it for Intel Optane or what?

 

M910q can have a max of 3 HDDs.  One 2.5" SATA Drive, Two M.2 Drives.  So, yes you can install a second M.2 SSD

 

Edit:  M710q and M910q have one M.2 storage slot.  M910x has two M.2 slots.  Plus one 2.5" SATA Drive for all models (Edit 2:  except for M910x models with RX460, which uses the 2.5" drive bay for the graphics card heat sink.)

 

3.   M910 Tiny and M910Q Tiny is used kinda interchangeably on the Lenovo web sites.   Does that mean M910 = M910Q?

 

Marketing updated the naming conventions.   M910t = M910 Tower ; M910s = M910 Small Form Factor; M910q = M910 Tiny; M910x = M910 Tiny Extreme (stronger 65W processor or discrete graphics)

 

4.   It looks like HDD mount is completely redesigned.   What is the max HDD z-height the new mount supports?

The drives should be 7mm.  These are the ones that are qualified for Tiny.

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Re: Lenovo M910 Tiny: Max HDD height?

2017-06-29, 21:32 PM

The US page now has the ordering option for USB-C.

 

Its unfortunate the M910q only supports up to 7mm 2.5" HDD the M900 Tiny could support up to 15mm so you could stick a 5TB drive in it, the largest 7mm is 2TB SMR.

There is also the ThinkStation P320 Tiny which appears to be based on the M910q with a Quadro P600.

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Re: Lenovo M910 Tiny: Max HDD height?

2017-06-30, 5:55 AM

Calc,

 

Would like to note, that I'm not totally agree that you can stick 15mm into M900 Tiny. I've bought that 5Tb Seagate and yes, you can squeeze it into M900 Tiny. And even close the cover. But it is pretty tight, cover not only touches HDD but also there was noticeable bump and cover looked uneven.

 

So to me, M900 Tiny supports 12.5mm max, but apparently nobody producing 12.5mm drives nowadays, so effectively M900 Tiny supports 9.5mm max.

 

Now 9.5mm is still good, because you can install Samsung m9t 2Tb non-SMR drive.

 

I agree, the fact that max supported height in M910q is 7mm is not perfect. One of the reasons I decided to stay with M900 for now.

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Thanks for your response!

2017-06-30, 5:57 AM

Hey BiggAl! Thank you for such a detailed response! Two m.2 sockets is the serious business indeed, like it!

 

Calc, thank you for update related to USB-C!

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Re: Thanks for your response!

2017-07-04, 15:56 PM

See this thread for a discussion on the RX 460 graphics option for the M910x Tiny Extreme

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Re: Lenovo M910 Tiny: Max HDD height?

2017-08-25, 14:01 PM

OK,

 

so how come that I have a 910q Tiny here that only has 1 M2 Socket, not 2? Where 2nd should be, there are only soldering tags.

 

I would like to add at least a regular SSD, however SATA cables and frame (I guess I need one?) didn't come with the Tiny and I don't finde a possibility to order it (no answer from support yet, no catalogue for part numbers etc. even though procedure is included in the german user guide, exchange CRU).

 

Really dissapointed of Lenovos performance!

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Re: Lenovo M910 Tiny: Max HDD height?

2017-08-25, 17:14 PM

Can you give us the model number (run 'sys info'), thx.

 

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Re: Lenovo M910 Tiny: Max HDD height?

2017-08-25, 20:41 PM


so how come that I have a 910q Tiny here that only has 1 M2 Socket, not 2? Where 2nd should be, there are only soldering tags.

 


I apologize, it seems I was given incorrect information.   M710q and M910q have one M.2 slot.  M910x has two M.2 slots. 

 

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Re: Lenovo M910 Tiny: Max HDD height?

2017-08-27, 22:57 PM

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 incorrect information.   M710q and M910q have one M.2 slot.  M910x has two M.2 slots.

I don't know anything firsthand about the newly designated q/x models of this family.  But I have had contact with both M910s (SFF) and M910t (tower), as I have previously written about my negative experience with the new MUCH SHORTER (i.e. front to rear measurement) of the new cases.  So the following comment pertains to how M.2 was implemented in the M910s and M901t, both of which presumably are larger than the M910q/x models.  But motherboard and M.2 design for the q/x models may be the same as it is for the s/t models.

 

If there are TWO M.2 slots in the M910x, and if the motherboard used for the M910x is like the motherboard used for the M910s and M910t (both of which I know about), I'd think that even if there are two M.2 slots they are not both for PCIe drives.

 

In the M910s and M910t (which both have TWO M.2 slots on the motherboard), only one of these is actually for use by an M.2 drive (i.e. NVMe). The second M.2 slot is intended for a PCIe M.2 WWan card, which cannot be used for a second M.2 NVMe drive.

 

Furthermore, while the two PCIe connector slots on the motherboard are provided on the motherboard, to actually install one or both M.2 cards you need the the "ThinkCentre M.2 SSD Kit" (part 4XF0P01011)" which can be ordered along with your Mx10s/t machine or purchased separately.  This is the plastic adapter bracket for installing the one or two M.2 cards, which supports the off-board projections of the one/two M.2 cards out of the PCIe connectors on that corner of the motherboard.

 

Even if ordered with your machine this M.2 card adapter bracket is not pre-installed by Lenovo unless you also order an M.2 NVMe card from Lenovo for your machine.  If the adapter is ordered but no M.2 card is also ordered, the adapter bracket arrives as a separate "accessory" that you must install yourself (it's about a 5-second easy snap-on to the chassis at that corner of the motherboard where the two PCIe connector sockets are located, but you do need to open the case to do this 5-second surgery).

 

 

In passing,

 

Comparing the M910s to its M900 SFF predecessor, the front-to-rear dimension (referred to as "depth" in specs) is 11.4" for the new M910s case vs. 14.04" for the old M900 SFF case.  And comparing the M910t to its M900 tower predecessor, the front-to-rear "depth" is 12.7" for the new M910t case vs. 16.26" for the old M900 tower case.  So each of these new smaller cases is about 3.5" SHORTER than its corresponding older predecessor.  And this HUGELY IMPACTS the physical "length" of any expansion card you might want to install (e.g. your own add-on PCIe graphics card to be installed in the x16 expansion slot), because of how the motherboard sits inside of the case.

 

The "depth" of the case is directly influences the maximum "length" of any expansion card you want to install.  This "depth" of the case corresponds to "width of the ATX motherboard", which is how the expansion slots are placed.  And when you open the case up there is a metal swing-up/swing-down drive assembly (on hinges) for optical drive and also the primary/secondary HDD drive bays.  But in its closed "swing down" position the left edge of the drive assembly will be just "to the right" of the right edge of an expansion card installed into any expansion slot.  Obviously there needs to be sufficient "clearance" (i.e. open space) betwen this right edge of any expansion card and the left edge of the swing-down drive assembly, else the swing-down position will not come down all the way to latch closed.  Instead, that left edge of the drive assembly will instead unfortunately land on the right end of the expansion card which is just a bit too long to allow the minimum required clearance, and the drive assembly will not be closed properly and you will not be able to reattach the outer side metal panel of the case.

 

Since the front-to-rear "depth" of the new M910s and M910t cases is now about 3.5" less than it used to be, that means that the "absolute maximum clearance" inside the case between the left edge of the drive assembly and the right edge of any expansion card is also about 3.5" less than it used to be.  And this is an enormous factor when trying to find an expansion card that can actually fit inside these new M910s/M910t cases since the "length" of an expansion card MUST FIT IN THE CLEARANCE afforded by the swing-up/down drive assembly inside the case.  With the M910s the max length of an expansion card is now about 5.75" which eliminates many modern graphics cards (about 6-6.75" in length) which can be used without concern in the older M900 SFF case.  And there are very very few "strong" low-profile graphics cards (e.g. GTX 1050ti) which are not longer than 5.75".  Hence why I was forced to return my M910s and get an M910t instead, so that I now had the interior "clearance" to allow me to use a GTX 1050ti graphics card.

 

 

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Re: Lenovo M910 Tiny: Max HDD height?

2018-04-05, 18:22 PM

Calc, I also wanted usb type -c, you stated it is now offered in your post, but I do not see it on the customize page?

For M910s.

 

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Re: Lenovo M910 Tiny: Max HDD height?

2018-10-11, 3:52 AM
I was able to add a USB C via a punch out port at the rear of the casing of my m910 10MVCTO1WW. I guess it depends on region and availability at the particular time. The configuration I customised is now no longer available either at the Singapore Lenovo online shop.
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Re: Lenovo M910 Tiny: Max HDD height?

2019-05-20, 13:30 PM

Hello CN7,

Can you please provide some more details on how you added USB-C functionality to your M910 Tiny?

What is the punch out port and how did you connect/install it? Did you choose this option when you initially ordered your M910 or did you have it installed separately, after you had purchased your M910 without USB-C?

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Re: Lenovo M910 Tiny: Max HDD height?

2019-05-20, 15:16 PM
It was an option that was available at the online shop when I purchased it.
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2019-05-20, 15:19 PM

It came pre-installed and was an add on option.

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