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Changing HD to SSD on P52?

2019-04-09, 16:31 PM

Hello,

 

I've had my P52 (w/ Xeon E-2176M, 32GB RAM and a 512GB spinning disk HD) for about 6 months and I've found it works well, but not quite as fast as I would like.  I've noticed (by watching the Performance tab in Task Manager) that my CPU and RAM are barely being used, while the HD chart hits 100% all the time.  I'm assuming this means that the HD is a major bottleneck in performance?  I had a few questions..

 

1) is my assumption correct that the HD is the bottleneck?

2) are there are any software or configuration changes I could make to improve things?

3) are there any SSDs that you would recommend, and know will work in a P52 Xeon?

4) I'm not very computer savvy, but would like to make the change to SSD myself if possible.. are you aware of any good online guides for doing the swap?

5) could I possibly add the SSD but keep the HD?  all my programs and stuff could go on the SSD, but keep large files on the HD?  Not sure if that's a good idea or not.

 

Thanks very much!

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Re: Changing HD to SSD on P52?

2019-04-09, 16:39 PM

Sorry this is kind of late . I joined the forum to solve my own problems ..But sure i can help . 

1. Are you running RAID ? 

2. Are you using any kind of encryption ?

3. What kind of HDD upgrade are you looking for Cheap and stable , Bleeding edge fast . 

 

There are a lot of video's online on changing the parts . HDD  should be easy . 

 

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Re: Changing HD to SSD on P52?

2019-04-09, 16:42 PM

Thanks for the reply, and I think my responses will show just how unknowledgable I am about this kinda thing!

 

1.  I have no idea if I'm running RAID or not!  Should I be?  How can I tell?

2. Not to my knowledge

3. Stability and reliability would be my primary concerns.  This is my work laptop and I'm often at remote worksites, so downtime would be very bad.

 

Thanks!

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Re: Changing HD to SSD on P52?

2019-04-09, 17:05 PM

So typically RAID ( redundant array of independant disks ) is a technology that has crept into the Pc space from the Server space . 

This is overkill for what most people do . But typically it would require more than 1 HDD to function . There are various ways in which it can be configured . But the bottom line is your data can survive  even if 1 HDD fails . ( complicated and requires expertise ) 

 

So I would definitely encrypt my data , esp if this was used for work . ( but that is a different post ) 

It should be easy and  your Laptop should have all the resources and tools to enable it . 

 

So there are a 3 options you have .

Note :  Your spinning platter will be you back up drive ( you can migrate all data from it and store it safely for a rainy day ) ( back it up regularly )

1. Since you already have hardware for a 2.5 " HDD , you will not need additional hardware for  2.5" SSD

There are many brands . I would reccomend Samsung or Crucial . 

Samsung first because of my experience with migration , simple and easy .  ( Samsung pro model for more relaiblity ) 

If you want to buy something lenovo approved . lookup the part no and order it . (https://support.lenovo.com/us/en/partslookup )

Note : Lenovo approved samsung parts do not run the retail migration software . 

Lenovo parts will be expensive just because they are branded that way . But you won't get any arguments from support . 

2. Buy NVME HDD adapter kit and a NVME HDD ( Lightening fast + bleeding edge + stable + little more expensive than option 1 )

 

Personally I have both 1 and 2 and for what most people do , you will not see a difference . 

And if ur coming from a spinning platter . you will love option 1  . ( night and day difference ) 

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Re: Changing HD to SSD on P52?

2019-04-09, 22:45 PM

Since you have a P52 with an "HD", what you need is to install an SSD.  The SSDs in the P52 are NVMe drives. Drives like the Samsung 970 EVO are capable of reading at 3000 MB/s but your HD drive is limited to SATA speeds which is roughly 500 MB/s.  You cannot compare the performance difference.

 

First, do not look at any 2.5" SSDs.  These have SATA interfaces and are limited to the SATA bus which is 550 MB/s.

 

Also, ignore any comments about using an NVMe SSD with an adapter 2.5" bay. This also uses the SATA interface and is useless.

 

All that you need is an NVMe SSD like a Samsung 970 EVO (prices are super low thsedays).  You will need 1 screw for the M.2 2280 slot which Lenovo does not supply. Any decent computer store should be able to give you one.

 

Then, DO NOT image your existing drive. Simply re-install Windows 10 to the new drive and reinstall your apps. Yes, it is worth the effort. You will get a clean system with no garbage. If you wait a few weeks, you can get the new Windows 10 1903 master image and install that.

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Re: Changing HD to SSD on P52?

2019-04-11, 18:24 PM

Agree you should look to acquire a top-notch NVMe drive -- Samsung 970, Pro or Evo will do you very nicely.  

 

Not sure if your machine also will need the plastic drive caddy kit (something like 10 - 15 dollars) to contain the NVMe drive -- I'd check with Lenovo support or carefully comb through the other posts in this thread to discover if necessary (or locate the P52 service manual online by searching for it).  Older P50 machines needed this part.

 

The advice to do a clean install is good, if you are up to it -- should be relatively painless process, but you would have to reload all your other software, data etc.  Macrium Reflect Free can be used to create an image of your old-drive, if you simply want to use your exisiting setup, although not sure whether an image made from a SATA drive would cause you any driver issues, when installed on an NVMe.  Probably not as Windows has become smarter than prior versions.  You might need to change the BIOS settings as well but again, mine is a P70 and I an not really knowledgeble about later machines. 

 

If you do plan a clean install, waiting for next version of Windows 10 is also a good idea.

 

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W700 model 2757-CTO (8 GB RAM, Crucial MX-100 SSD + Hitachi TravelStar 1 TB 7200 RPM Drives, Bluray R/W, NVIDIA Quadro FX3700M, WUXGA); Windows 7 Ultimate SP-1, W700 Mini-Dock
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Re: Changing HD to SSD on P52?

2019-04-11, 22:31 PM

Regarding the comment from @practical 

 

"Not sure if your machine also will need the plastic drive caddy kit "

 

NO.  I have a P52 with TWO NVMe drives.  There is no caddy.  The M.2 2280 card connects directly to the motherboard.  All you will need is the screw.

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Re: Changing HD to SSD on P52?

2019-04-11, 22:36 PM

Thanks for the tips!   That sounds pretty easy, except how does one go about installing Windows 10 on a new SSD?  I don't think I got an install CD or anything with my computer... I apologize if this is an annoyingly stupid question haha.

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Re: Changing HD to SSD on P52?

2019-04-14, 11:28 AM

Download Windows here .

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10

Add a flash drive and it will create a bootable image for you . 

 

Install Thinkpad Vantage after you are done with windows . 

For mostly updated Driver :-) 

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Re: Changing HD to SSD on P52?

2019-04-15, 20:52 PM

Use RUFUS to create your bootable USB key as a UEFI bootable key:

 

https://rufus.ie/

 

 

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