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Newer thinkpads, can one learn to cope with it?

2016-07-20, 13:13 PM
So, I'm coming from a T500 which I've had for many years and loving it, but even upgraded to the max the specs have become too outdated and I just bought myself a P50 to step it up, which I received two days ago. And I am so disappointed, not with the specs but with the usability of it. I know this might sound like a rant but I really want to hear if you experienced the same and if you learned to cope with the newer Thinkpads and maybe even start to like it after a while.

My main issues are:

* The display: my old T500 display was so smooth and I could work hours and hours in front of it and not go tired in the eyes. But with this new P50 display, the eye strain is really terrible and even when taking regular breaks I suffer from headaches and nausea after a couple days usage. Not sure if this will go away after getting used to it.

* The dreaded numpad, which offsets the normal keyboard from the center: So I moved all my applications to the far left side of the screen to be positioned in the center of me. So effectivly I can only use about 3/4 of the working area. But another consequence is that there is too little space on the left to rest my palm on, and it wants to slide of the edge all the time.

* The touch pad: I like to vary between using the track point and the touch pad, depending on what I do, so I want to keep it enabled. But the trouble is that it's simply to large, so when I'm typing the palms tend to touch the pad, causing the mouse cursor to jitter all over the place and occasionally do random mouse clicks and disturbing my typing. And especially, when I click the upper buttons when using the track point, my palm always touches the pad, making the mouse pointer jump up as I try to click something.

I could of course get a separate screen and keyboard, but I need to be mobile with it and use the built-in interfaces and that's kinda of the point of buying a laptop isn't it?

Yes, it was kind of a rant, but can any of you bring me any hope? As an alternative I do consider returning it or sell it, and maybe get a refurbished T530 or something, which at least doesn't have this stupid center offset numpad keyboard, no so sure about the display though.

 

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Re: Newer thinkpads, can one learn to cope with it?

2016-07-20, 14:55 PM

I switched from T510 to W540. You get used to the keyboard layout. I actually like the numeric pad because I use excel a lot. The old trackpad was much better, but the trackpoint is easier to use with the new buttons. New thinkpads are still way better than any other laptop for these features, anyway.


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Re: Newer thinkpads, can one learn to cope with it?

2016-07-20, 15:44 PM

Don't know what to tell you, except that have you considered the P70 instead? 

 

The larger form factor, wider keyboard & palm rest and seemingly higher quality of screens might make the user experience better, if you can handle the somewhat larger bulk.

 

I am a die-hard fan of my W700 (still use it) but upgraded to a P70 when there was finally another 17" good Lenovo option.  This machine does have its compromises, for sure -- but if you review all the posts, it appears that P70 owners are on the whole, a bit happier with their machines than P50 users.

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Re: Newer thinkpads, can one learn to cope with it?

2016-07-20, 15:51 PM

I know what you are feeling. personally have a love and hate relation with my P50's 4k screen but I must confess, so many bad reviews on these forums might be biasing me. to be honest, I have not managed to find out the manufacturer of my panel, do you know of a basic utility that can give me that system info? Alsow with a 15%+ restocking fee, I am trying to make it work. the computer is in fact considerably faster than anything I had owned before (XPS15, Asus ZenBook Pro, HP Studio).

 

I have learned to cope with the num pad. I tried to convince myself too that the extra space/dimension of the laptop means better ventilation and hence durability. 

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Newer thinkpads, can one learn to cope with it?

2016-07-22, 9:27 AM

he display: my old T500 display was so smooth and I could work hours and hours in front of it and not go tired in the eyes. But with this new P50 display, the eye strain is really terrible and even when taking regular breaks I suffer from headaches and nausea after a couple days usage. Not sure if this will go away after getting used to it.

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Re: Newer thinkpads, can one learn to cope with it?

2016-07-22, 12:39 PM

sorry to hear; to be honest, I keep reading about this I am sure honest reviews, yet I fail to distinguish any pain from using mine. can I ask what type of work? just wondering if it is about staring say at a spreadsheet with limited move, or doing video works with then changing images on the screen? what is the manufacturer of your panel?

 

for the record, I did have nausea once, but was after watching Hostel Trilogy on my P50. 

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Re: Newer thinkpads, can one learn to cope with it?

2016-07-22, 15:59 PM

I've changed the color profile to one with color temperature of 5500K, brightness about 40%, that seems to have helped a lot with the eye strain. Switching back now to the default setting (6400K), it's like staring close up into an industrial fluorescent lamp, no wonder I got snow blind... The 1920x1080 resolution on a 15.6" is still a bit small for me though, but maybe I can get used to it - or start fiddling with zoom and font sizes all over the place. Probably a 17" inch would have been better for me with this resolution, but unfortunately it brings me out of my budget or I'd have to sacrifice something else, plus a 17" is maybe a bit large to drag around. 

 

Regarding the touch pad issues,I am on Ubuntu, but supposedly the Windows driver added some hack to avoid registering the palms touching when typing, does anyone have this problem on Windows?

 

I'll give it a few more days until I decide whether to keep it or not. Still interesting in hearing how people are "coping" with it.

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Re: Newer thinkpads, can one learn to cope with it?

2016-07-24, 0:25 AM

I have a different laptop, but similar (P50S) and use Linux exclusively.  You should be using the synaptics driver, enable palm detection and it will help.  I don't know Unity, so I can't help with a GUI, but the CLI interface is called synclient.

 

I have the 3K screen and love it on here, much much less eyestrain than I had with a 1080p screen... I love hidpi.

 

Also, I'd suggest using the 4.6 kernel for better (much better) power support for skylake, also you need to install and configure tlp and powertop if you haven't already, likely will increase your battery life substantially since the skylake CPU's are still pretty new. 

 

Just as an fyi, on the 4.4 kernel (default on Ubuntu 16.04) I had a 4-5 hour bettery life.  On 4.6 with tlp and powertop I'm sitting at more like 12+ hours.

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Re: Newer thinkpads, can one learn to cope with it?

2016-07-28, 3:25 AM

wrote:

I've changed the color profile to one with color temperature of 5500K, brightness about 40%, that seems to have helped a lot with the eye strain. Switching back now to the default setting (6400K), it's like staring close up into an industrial fluorescent lamp, no wonder I got snow blind...


Do you have a color sensor in your laptop? If so, do you need a color sensor to adjust the color temperature? Or is there an option elsewhere to control it? Thank you very much.

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Re: Newer thinkpads, can one learn to cope with it?

2016-07-28, 9:49 AM

No, I don't have a color sensor. I just used the system settings (in Ubuntu) to select a different color profile (ICC files), my current is a "D55" profile.

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