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P70 BIOS 2.10 Posted

2016-10-14, 16:24 PM

A new BIOS (2.10) for the P70 has been posted to the Support website. One of the things that I have now noticed, but was not in the change log for the update, is that the memory clock speed has now been upgraded to support DDR4-2400. This change is confirmed in HWInfo64 which now shows the clock frequency as a maxium of 1300 mhz (was 1066 mhz). That will be great as one can now purchase DDR4-2400 ECC memory which is much more common than DDR4-2133 ECC memory.


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Re: P70 BIOS 2.10 Posted

2016-10-24, 0:39 AM

My P70 configuration is posted below in my signature. Have you tried to reset the BIOS to default configuration, saving it, and then changing it back to what you currently are using?


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Re: P70 BIOS 2.10 Posted

2016-10-14, 21:00 PM

I am running with the new BIOS without issue.


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Re: P70 BIOS 2.10 Posted

2016-10-15, 2:03 AM

Has anyone tried to use DDR4-2400 memory with the new BIOS? There were reports earlier in the year where people had tried this specification only to find that the system would not boot unless at least 1 DDR4-2133 module was in place in the mix.


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Re: P70 BIOS 2.10 Posted

2016-10-15, 6:46 AM

Can't help you regarding DDR4-2400 memory behavior.

 

But I can say that it's disappointing Lenovo has NOT YET CORRECTED THE BIOS DEFECT THEY CREATED A FEW VERSIONS AGO, which prevents ENTER from working as the prompt message describes, when one actually presses ENTER at the logo-prompt to interrupt the normal boot process and presumably launch the BIOS Interuupt sub-menu.  This doesn't happen.

 

In fact, pressing ENTER still continues to NOT LAUNCH THE BIOS INTERRUPT SUB-MENU as it says it will, but instead goes right to Boot Manager.  In fact the Interrupt sub-menu is bypassed!  It is NOT presented!

 

So if you really do want to get into the BIOS Setup utility you must press F1 (and not ENTER) now which WILL go directly to the BIOS Setup utility.  In fact, there is no longer any way to get the Interupt sub-menu at all!!!  ENTER does not go there as the prompt says it will, and F1 goes directly to the BIOS Setup utility.

 

This bug was first reported several BIOS versions ago, and continues uncorrected with 2.10.

 

Surprising that Lenovo is not dealing with it as deserving of correcting.  Surely they see it, especially when preparing 2.10 for release and going through QA.  Come on, NC.  It's not critical (once you learn you can use F1 to get into the BIOS Setup utility since ENTER no longer works), but it's clearly at least a cosmetic embarrassment which should be corrected.

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Re: P70 BIOS 2.10 Posted

2016-10-15, 11:57 AM

I've not seen the issue that you've been reporting for some time on my P70. I can go into the Startup menu by pressing "Enter" without exception. Is it possible that somehow you've corrupted the UEFI in some manner? I would expect that if others had the same issue as you are documenting that there certainly be comments in this forum. There had been a report of a possbile CMOS corruption by one user several months ago that was cleared with a straight forward procedure of reflashing an area. Perhaps you might consider trying that.

 

Sorry that I can't add any further guidance.


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Re: P70 BIOS 2.10 Posted

2016-10-15, 18:27 PM

If there's some unique configuration on my own P70 which might be involved in the curious behavior when pressing ENTER, I suspect it might have something more to do with the fact that my own Boot Manager and boot menu has been affected in an atypical way by several things:

 

(a) I have TWO bootable OS's, Win7 and Win10, both of which are choices presented on the boot menu

 

(b) I have a third bootable option ("Macrium Reflect Recovery"), placed on the boot menu by Macrium Reflect

 

(c) I have a fourth bootable option automatically placed there when the Windows 10 Anniversary Update was applied, which is really Windows SETUP to recover the pre-update version of Win10 if you wanted to back out from the Anniversay Update version.

 

(d) I have used EasyBCD to rearrange boot menu items and reduce the time allowed to decide on a boot choice before defaulting, from 30 seconds to 10 seconds

 

All of these work together to force text-mode boot menu presentation by Boot Manager.  The GUI-mode boot menu (first seen with Windows 8/8.1 I believe) is inoperable and cannot be brought back.

 

Nevertheless, I honestly don't think this is what is responsible for my symptom.  Other than (c) which is relatively recent, the other items (a), (b) and (d) were all previously present for quite a while and the ENTER key worked perfectly to bring up the Startup Interrupt Sub-menu.  It was only when Lenovo revised the BIOS some version ago to present the new red logo with the "press ENTER" message prompt below it when I believe this changed.  I don't think it was the first BIOS verson that initially brought out the red logo which was the "culprit", I think it was the next version.

 

In particular, I first reported this symptom back in mid-August in this forum thread which I posted that was tied specifically to the application of BIOS version 2.07 on my P70.  With BIOS 2.06 I did not see this symptom, else I'm sure I would have created my thread sooner.  As expressed in the initial posting in that thread, I wasn't sure exactly what variable might have been the responsible "culprit" (my strongest suspicion centered on what the Win10 1607 updgrade might have done, affecting my text-mode boot menu since probably most people see the GUI boot menu).  But for sure, this was a new symptom in mid-August as my thread and photos describe.

 

I am going to try reverting back to BIOS 2.06 (with my current 4-item boot menu still present) to see if that makes any difference in getting back the expected ENTER key behavior at the Lenovo logo prompt screen.  I don't really want to back out the Win10 1607 update, which I think might remove that fourth item on the boot menu.  I could also just use EasyBCD to physically delete it.  I may also try BIOS 2.05 if 2.06 still fails, just for another data point.  If they all fail then my hunch is that it's more related to the application of the Win10 1607 update on my multi-Windows multi-entry text-mode boot menu environment.

 

But my intuition says it's not related to the contents of the boot menu which is at fault here.  It's earlier in boot processing where the "failure" is occurring, since it is the BIOS which is handling the interpretation of the ENTER key and presumably then doing what it should be doing, namely presenting the Lenovo startup interrupt Sub-menu.  This is all in Lenovo BIOS code, all earlier than anything whatsoever to do with getting to the point of loading Boot Manager which then presents the multi-entry boot menu.  It sure seems like it is the BIOS which is failing to do what the ENTER key expects, and which is therefore responsible for the curious behavior on my P70.

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Re: P70 BIOS 2.10 Posted

2016-10-15, 20:48 PM

Well, your software configuration is certainly atypical. Perhaps you should offer to let the lab borrow your system for debugging. I doubt that they can replicate what you have done and the intermediate steps.


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Re: P70 BIOS 2.10 Posted

2016-10-15, 21:24 PM

I'd be glad to let them have my P70 for "research" into this issue.

 

Interestingly, I can not reinstall the back-level BIOS versions 2.06 or 2.05 (the only two I tried), since I guess the first appearance of the symptom came right after I installed 2.07.  It's persisted through 2.08 and now 2.10, but it first appeared with 2.07.

 

When I try to install 2.06 or 2.05 (using the utility program under Windows, not the standalone CD) I get an error message: "BIOS image file does not match this system. The utility process has not completed."  I don't know whether this means I cannot back-level install an older BIOS once I've installed a newer one (I'm up to 2.10 installed now), or if I just need to delete a particular (or all) "backup BIOS image" file that might have been taken during past upgrades, or what.

 

Anyway, your idea about lending my P70 to NC for them to work with is probably the best idea.  Yes, I hadn't seen this symptom until 2.07 came along, but then other changes also occurred around that time as documented in my mid-August thread. So it's not really clear what was the true trigger.

 

What's apparent now though, is that for some reason I cannot experiment for myself trying to re-install an older BIOS 2.06 or 2.05 where I'm sure the ENTER key still worked.  But then I also might not have yet installed Win10 as a second Windows, and for sure I hadn't run the 1607 Win10 update.

 

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Re: P70 BIOS 2.10 Posted

2016-10-15, 21:42 PM

FWIW, from the BIOS readme file:

 

If the UEFI BIOS has been updated to version 2.07 or higher, it is no longer
  able to roll back to the version before 2.07 for security improvement.

 

Are there any BIOS config options in the startup section that control the keystroke options and behavior @ POST?  I don't think so but don't have a similar machine to check.

 

Does F12 bring up a boot menu with a tab that will take you to setup?  Just curious.

 

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Re: P70 BIOS 2.10 Posted

2016-10-15, 23:01 PM

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FWIW, from the BIOS readme file:

 

If the UEFI BIOS has been updated to version 2.07 or higher, it is no longer
  able to roll back to the version before 2.07 for security improvement.

 

there any BIOS config options in the startup section that control the keystroke options and behavior @ POST?  I don't think so but don't have a similar machine to check.

 

Does F12 bring up a boot menu with a tab that will take you to setup?  Just curious.



I hadn't even looked at the README to see this new caveat you pointed out, about the inability to now revert to an earlier BIOS 2.06 or older once you've installed 2.07 or newer.  That certainly explains my result.

 

Also, as far as any BIOS config options controlling available keystrokes and their behavior, there are two:

 

(a) enable presentation of the ENTER key prompt, and

(b) enable use of F12 to trigger the boot menu

 

I have ENABLED set for both of them, which I believe are the defaults.

 

And yes, when the "press ENTER" message is onscreen below the red Lenovo logo, I CAN use F12 and it DOES produce the boot menu.  Same as I CAN use F1 and it DOES produce the BIOS Setup utility.

 

It's only ENTER that fails to work as expected, pausing for a few seconds (as if perhaps it's struggling to do something, although this may in fact be the same brief pause the BIOS normally exhibits before presenting the Boot Manager boot menu screen) and then the Boot Manager boot menu screen appears.

 

If the "startup interrupt sub-menu" is generated by the BIOS itself when ENTER is pressed,  and this screen doesn't appear, how could it be anything other than a BIOS option or bug which is "at fault" for it not appearing?

 

I'm wondering if it's another one of those BIOS bugs where some combination or choice of seemingly completely unrelated option in a completely separate functional area might be at fault.  This was exactly the story way back, when I had the "diagnostic/verbose" option enabled rather than "quick boot", and wanted to apply previous BIOS version that included a 2-part application of both (a) BIOS and (b) Embedded Controller firmware, with a designed machine re-boot in between the two steps.  Turns out the enabling of the the "diagnostic" splash screen feature interfered with the intermediate re-boot during the application of this particular BIOS version, and the machine just hung right there... never actually getting to the "part 2" stage.

 

Turns out there was a BIOS bug dealing with Security -> I/O Port Access -> Wireless WAN, which is ENABLED by default.  And the combination of this option being ENABLED along with the "diagnostic/verbose" splash screen feature ENABLED is what prevented that second EC flash step of the BIOS update from getting started after the intermediate re-boot.  If you just set Security -> I/O Port Access -> Wireless WAN -> DISABLED, lo and behold the intermediate re-boot now works... even with "diagnostic/verbose" still ENABLED.  I still run with Wireless WAN -> DISABLED, even though it has nothing to do with my machine hardware.

 

So, maybe it's another one of these odd combination of non-default BIOS option choices which is causing the ENTER key to no longer produce the Startup Interrupt Sub-menu on my P70, while not affecting other users who've not changed that particular BIOS option from default.

 

Perhaps it has something to do with the fact that I have two 950 Pro NVMe devices installed non-RAID, booting from NVMe0.  No idea really, I only know that ever since 2.07 with my above described 4-entry boot menu the ENTER key does not produce that Startup Interrupt Sub-menu.

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