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W700 questions

2019-03-14, 13:11 PM

I'm still using my trusty W700 with Windows 7 Professional RAID 1.

It's been on it's docking station since day 1.

I have two questions.

1) Being that it's always docked is there any reason to believe the CMOS battery needs to be replaced anytime soon?

2) If I choose to finally upgrade to Windows 10 Professional before January 2020 are there any outstanding issues

I should be aware of? Specifically will my RAID 1 setup continue to run?

Should I just stay on Windows 7? It's not given me any problems.

Thanks,

J

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Re: W700 questions

2019-03-14, 19:18 PM

I don't think being docked adds or shortens the CMOS battery life.  The CMOS battery and the main battery are now about 9 years old, so they will be ending the end of their useful life if they haven't already been replaced.  Staying on win 7 is a personal choice and it depends on many factors.  I have an even older T60 running on windows 7 that I need a couple of times per year to run a piece of software that is licensed on that machine, will not rin on 10 and is no longer available.  In general, I have upgraded everything else I have to windows 10.  I would expect that a RAID 1 set would work fine, BUT W700 is not an officially supported system.  I always suggest getting a good backup before doing anything related to configuration and in this case, I think it is really important.


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Re: W700 questions

2019-03-14, 19:18 PM

I don't think being docked adds or shortens the CMOS battery life.  The CMOS battery and the main battery are now about 9 years old, so they will be ending the end of their useful life if they haven't already been replaced.  Staying on win 7 is a personal choice and it depends on many factors.  I have an even older T60 running on windows 7 that I need a couple of times per year to run a piece of software that is licensed on that machine, will not rin on 10 and is no longer available.  In general, I have upgraded everything else I have to windows 10.  I would expect that a RAID 1 set would work fine, BUT W700 is not an officially supported system.  I always suggest getting a good backup before doing anything related to configuration and in this case, I think it is really important.


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Re: W700 questions

2019-03-14, 19:23 PM

Thank you for your candor. 

All the best,

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Re: W700 questions

2019-03-14, 19:40 PM

I'd second that point about the batteries.  Try to locate one or more authentic Lenovo battery packs to have as spares -- the more widely available thrid-party ones are often inferior in capacity and longevity.  CMOS batteries are more standard and should be easy to find.

 

In my experience with the W700 (which I still dearly love but rarely wake-up, as my P70 serves as main-driver), Windows 10 Pro seems to work fine, even though Lenovo is not making new drivers available.  I haven't updated from Anniversary Edition so cannot speak to latest builds.

 

If you really want to be safe, buy a couple of new 2.5" drives, make an image copy of your current system and experiment with upgrading those, leaving the original set intact.  Laptop hard drives cost next to nothing these days.  You can buy the drive caddies, if you prefer to simply swap-out a new set of drives without bothering to remove all the tiny screws, etc. 

Here is a link to one supplier (although there are like more online):

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/IBM-Lenovo-Thinkpad-W700-W700ds-W701-W510-Hard-Drive-Disk-Caddy-Rail-/151210621907

 

Best of luck.  

 

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Re: W700 questions

2019-05-19, 21:13 PM

Rather than update the W700 to Win 10 at this time I got a P51.

I have the W700 just in case I need Win 7 but I'm back to the the CMOS (aka Backup) Battery question.

I don't feel amitious enough to change the battery at this time because of my fat fingers and those little

keyboard and finger print reader connectors etc. that need to be unplugged/plugged as part of the

CMOS/Backup battery replacement procedure.

At any rate, say I just wait until the battery fails which could be any number of days/months/years from now.

I know I'll loose the TOD clock setting but how about my RAID 1 array settings? Will those be lost too?

I'd hate to loose my RAID 1 array because of a CMOS battery. Most of the other CMOS settings are default as

far as I can tell.

If I wait until the CMOS battery fails and then attempt to replace it (I have a genuine replacement) 

will I need to reset any CMOS settings besides the Time of Day clock?

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J

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Re: W700 questions

2019-05-20, 0:14 AM

Hello,


Whether or not the RAID settings are stored in CMOS RAM is going to be hard to know on such an old machine. 

 

My suggestion would be to look into getting the CMOS battery replaced by a local laptop repair store if you are not comfortable doing it yourself.  On most Lenovo ThinkPads it is a fairly quick procedure to swap the replacement CMOS battery into the unit.

 

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Re: W700 questions

2019-05-20, 0:15 AM

Thanks much.

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Re: W700 questions

2019-05-21, 12:54 PM

Thought I'd update this thread one final time.

Since it was a choice between updating the W700, donating it or just tossing it I chose updating.

I managed to replace the CMOS battery myself with the help of my wife holding the flashlight for me.

The maintenance/repair manual wasn't totally accurate regarding the touchpad connector. It was 

mounted directly to the wristpad on not on a ribbon cable and when I remove the CMOS battery the

plug base came off with the plug leaving two tiny pins on the motherboard exposed.

I carefully replaced the CMOS and reassembled the keyboard/wristpad pretty much without major

problems.

When I powered it up I did get the prompt to reset the Time/Date but the RAID settings were intact

or at least it recognized my existing RAID 1 array.

I attempted to update Win 7 to Win 10 using the current Win 10 installer I put on a thumb drive.

This was less successful. Running the updater from Win 7 went well until the first reboot at which time

it just hung. I had to power cycle the W700 and got a popup saying the Win 10 update failed because

of an I/O error during boot. 

So I booted off the thumb drive and did a clean install. I tried installing the Intel RST drivers as part of the

Custom Install after deleting the existing disk partitions but it just hung. I restarted the clean install install

without the RST drivers. From this point the Win 10 Clean install proceeded without error.

I bypassed the Win 10 Install Key and just played around with Win 10 which seemed to run fine but without

the Install Key  I was limited in how much customization I was allowed to do.

I vaguely remembered an article I read a short time ago that said a Win 7 Install/Activation Key might work

for a Win 10 install. So I tried my Win 7 Pro Key and it worked just fine.

So now I have a W700 running Win 10 Pro pretty much as I had hoped.

The Lenovo Updater returns no updates (as expected) as Lenovo doesn't support Win 10 on this Thinkpad.

I did have an issue with the PC immediately going to sleep when returning from a Hybrid Shutdown.

Rather than spend a ton of time I just dispabled Hybrid Sleep, Hibernate and Fast Startup. That fixed the

unexpected shutdown after restart problem.

I also downloaded and installed the current Intel RST Software and it works just fine with my RAID 1 Array.

So that's it in a nut shell.

I'll pack up the W700 in it's original packaging (which I have) and keep it around until the kid's T42 dies

or Win 7 stops working on that Thinkpad or the CMOS battery fails. Whichever comes first.

Thanks all.

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