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Re:Why only Two Drive Slots in the P17?

2020-08-03, 8:18 AM

Any benchmark / comparison data between P17 and Dell Precision 7750 available?

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Re:Why only Two Drive Slots in the P17?

2020-08-03, 16:18 PM

The P17 hasn't been released yet so there are probably no real world benchmarks between the two systems.

 

I think the performance would mostly depend on which processor you go for though and both of those models you mentioned have multiple CPU options.

I have been looking at both of them as options for myself and I want an i9 CPU. Dell has the i9-10885H and Lenovo has the i9-10980HK. There really doesn't seem to be much between them on the intel site in terms of architecture, cores, power requirements, cache or other features that would affect the performance. The only difference I can see is the one in the Dell has vPro and some extra security features.

 

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/processors/core/core-vpro/i9-10885h.html?wapkw=i9-10885H

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/processors/core/i9-processors/i9-10980hk.html?wapkw=i9-10980hk

 

User benchmarks appear to rate them about equal.

 

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i9-10885H-vs-Intel-Core-i9-10980HK/m1174414vsm1065893

 

I guess it will come down to how Dell and Lenovo implement them and the supporting chipset etc, but we won't know until Lenovo actually release this thing.

 

 

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Re:Why only Two Drive Slots in the P17?

2020-08-03, 17:57 PM

I bet few bought the SATA bay "populated" because they would much rather just buy the drives they want on their own.

 

By the same logic, they would release the P17 with only 8GB of RAM because I bet a bunch of people bought it in that configuration so they can upgrade their own RAM. 

 

Add me to the list of people who bought a P series laptop so I can have 4 hard drives. In realty it is actually 3 drives because I always RAID 1 the primary boot partition for redundancy.

 

It seems silly to limit the storage capacity for one of the largest and most powerful 17" laptops you can buy. People sacrifice the size and weight for being able to have extra resources, such as storage, onboard.

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Re:Why only Two Drive Slots in the P17?

2020-08-03, 18:16 PM

 

I think the performance would mostly depend on which processor you go for though and both of those models you mentioned have multiple CPU options.

 

Mostly depends on throttling nowadays, IMO. For how long a particular system can run the number of cores needed for the particular task at Turbo frequences. As soon as it throttles due to power/temperature, performance goes down so much, it does not really matter whether it was Xeon or i9 or i7, and whether it was 6 or 8 cores. And if it doesn't throttle, how much of fan noise one is prepared to tolerate.

 

Given that all CPUs in the P-series for the last few years are 14nm++(+) 45W parts, it's all in the same ballpark.

 

But today, IMO, sheer performance of the laptop doesn't criticallyt matter all that much. For comparable amount of money, one can get a desktop which is several times faster, not just single digits % faster (and even that with a lot of caveats), with 250W+ CPU if that helps the task.

 

Laptops, especially 17" variety, are now again more about relatively portable yet self-sufficient package, and cutting storage options IMO is a big disadvantage. Hopefully, to be fixed in next generation, by adding a few extra M.2 slots.

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Re:Why only Two Drive Slots in the P17?

2020-08-04, 10:06 AM

@Centauri 

 

I bet few bought the SATA bay "populated" because they would much rather just buy the drives they want on their own.

 

Exactly. My P71 was delivered with 8GB and the cheapest SATA HDD, three days later later every hole was filled. Probably saved about £500 on the Lenovo prices. I used to get plenty of popups from that Vantage software, maybe they could use it to survey existing customers about what features would be important in their next upgrade.

 

@p600 

 

Different requirements for different people. I had servers, desktops and laptops but I was wasting time on admin - copying VMs and large data between them to keep them all current. I needed portability for customer presentations so I got rid of the rest and just use the P71 for everything now. There are plenty of desktops twice as powerful for 1/5 of the price but they won't fit in my bag. For me personally, the performance / cost ratio was easily justified. It's also excellent for playing games on downtime and I don't even notice the fan noises.

 

@JohnDaemon 

I think the Lenovo numpad keyboards are almost perfect 9/10 but still the best in the world. Scored 1 point down because they think a print screen key is more useful than a context menu key and maybe the arrow keys could be bigger.

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Re:Why only Two Drive Slots in the P17?

2020-08-06, 18:59 PM

It's official they will only have the 2x M.2 bays.

 

https://psref.lenovo.com/Product/ThinkPad/ThinkPad_P17_Gen_1

 

Specifications link at the bottom.

 

 

Looks like I'll be buying a Dell.

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Re:Why only Two Drive Slots in the P17?

2020-10-22, 13:43 PM

 

I think HP has Lenovo totally beat this year (as well as getting my $5000) with the ZBOOK FURY G7's. FOUR nvme slots for a total of 10TB of storage space.
 

https://www8.hp.com/us/en/workstations/zbook-fury.html?jumpid=in_r12139_us/en/psg/mobile_workstations/zbook-fury/learn-more

Why can HP do this and Lenovo can't?

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Re:Why only Two Drive Slots in the P17?

2020-10-28, 19:52 PM
It is strange that P53 can have 3 NVMe bays and P17 only 2? P17 should have 4 as Dell..
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Re:Why only Two Drive Slots in the P17?

2020-10-29, 19:28 PM
A third slot would be great, but why not even a fourth spot as the HP ZBOOK Fury G7 has?
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