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Alternate to W530 (supports Windows 7, >16GB RAM, legacy non-UEFI boot, 1920x1080)?

I am looking for a Lenovo (no other will do) laptop that could be an alternate to the W530 (about 6 years old). My key requirements are (native, not via a VM) support for Windows 7 64-bit (I do not intend to use Windows 8 or 10, so need either factory installed, recovery discs available, or at least drivers available from Lenovo for Windows 7 Pro 64-bit), support for over 16GB RAM (example, 24 or 32 GB), support for legacy BIOS boot mode (I do not intend to use UEFI), and supports at least 1920x1080 screen resolution. Weight, size, and (to an extent) cost are uncritical. Some versions of W530 fits this description; I am searching for alternatives prior to committing to (another) W530. Thank you for any recommendations.
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Re: Alternate to W530 (supports Windows 7, >16GB RAM, legacy non-UEFI boot, 1920x1080)?

And why aren't you considering a P70 or P71 with Skylake chipset, or P50/P51 with same considerations?

 

These all support Win7 with up to 64GB and 15" or 17" FHD or 4K screens.  Great nVidia GPU choices, support for 2.5" SATA HDD/SSD and/or SATA/NVMe M.2 SSD.

 

 

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Re: Alternate to W530 (supports Windows 7, >16GB RAM, legacy non-UEFI boot, 1920x1080)?

what about a smaller 14" T460p.  It has 2 slots and the 5th gen cpu can use 16gb DIMMs.  (2x16gb or 16+8) It supports win7 and has a 1920x1080 option.


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Re: Alternate to W530 (supports Windows 7, >16GB RAM, legacy non-UEFI boot, 1920x1080)?

Hello,

 

From looking at these pages

 

P50: https://pcsupport.lenovo.com/us/en/products/laptops-and-netbooks/thinkpad-p-series-laptops/thinkpad-...

P51: https://pcsupport.lenovo.com/us/en/products/laptops-and-netbooks/thinkpad-p-series-laptops/thinkpad-...

 

Both the ThinkPad P50 and P51 have Windows 7 device drivers available.  You would likely have to install Microsoft Windows 7 yourself, though.  As far as BIOS goes, you would have to use UEFI with CSM (Compatibility Support Mode) enabled to access legacy BIOS features.  I would suggest trying to verify Windows 7 compatibility with the seller before making a purchase, though.

 

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Re: Alternate to W530 (supports Windows 7, >16GB RAM, legacy non-UEFI boot, 1920x1080)?

Based on what I see in the BIOS simulator, the P50 has direct legacy support, and I suspect the P51 does also.

 

You'd have to use UEFI + CSM  to run Windows 7 in UEFI mode.  That's (IIRC) the way the Lenovo Win 7 preloads run on those machines. A clean install '7 install from MS media might require adding USB 3.0 drivers - and NVMe drivers if the target drive is NVMe.  A clean UEFI install would also require modifying the media to make it UEFI-bootable.  Legacy should only require adding drivers.

 

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Re: Alternate to W530 (supports Windows 7, >16GB RAM, legacy non-UEFI boot, 1920x1080)?

Thank you, Zoltan, for your research - I am very grateful. I plan to install Windows 7 (and other OS alongside) purely in Legacy mode - I will not ever have >2TB mass storage device, I will not require secure boot in any form, and I will not require support for partitions beyond the 4 primary + extended paradigm. I am willing and able to install Windows 7 Professional from scratch onto new mass storage media, provided that device drivers are available from Lenovo. Based on your research, the P50 (or preferably P51) will be preferred solution provided that the chosen model BIOS can be placed in Legacy-only mode (rather than UEFI with CSM enabled.) How can I confirm (without purchasing a laptop, nor interacting one locally as I do not have that resource) that the P50 (or preferably P51) does indeed have Legacy-only mode option in BIOS? Thank you again for your help, Dave
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Re: Alternate to W530 (supports Windows 7, >16GB RAM, legacy non-UEFI boot, 1920x1080)?

All I have to go on is the simulator, so I can't personally verify legacy support.  Hopefully someone who has a 50 or 51 can take a look at BIOS setup and confirm.  (or deny...)

 

Sorry I can't be of more help,

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Re: Alternate to W530 (supports Windows 7, >16GB RAM, legacy non-UEFI boot, 1920x1080)?


@zoltanthegypsy wrote:

All I have to go on is the simulator, so I can't personally verify legacy support.  Hopefully someone who has a 50 or 51 can take a look at BIOS setup and confirm.  (or deny...)

 

Sorry I can't be of more help,

Z.


You need more than just legacy support, you also need explicit Win7 support.  This means, you need a model with SkyLake (6th-gen) processor or earlier.  7th and 8th gen processors don't support Win7, even if the BIOS option for legacy boot is present.  ThinkPad P51 has a few SkyLake configurations with Win7 support, so this might be a good choice.  Look for models 20MM, 20MN (not 20HH, 20HJ).  Or look for a used P50.

 

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Re: Alternate to W530 (supports Windows 7, >16GB RAM, legacy non-UEFI boot, 1920x1080)?

Thank you, Someotherguy. This helps me get closer to highest-function machine that retains Windows 7 support. I will begin search for the 20MM/20MN series types of P51. Would you be able determine if those series machines can be put into pure Legacy mode in BIOS (vs CSM option for UEFI?) Thank you again, this is very much adding value to my solution process! Dave
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Re: Alternate to W530 (supports Windows 7, >16GB RAM, legacy non-UEFI boot, 1920x1080)?


@wb0gaz wrote:
Thank you, Someotherguy. This helps me get closer to highest-function machine that retains Windows 7 support. I will begin search for the 20MM/20MN series types of P51. Would you be able determine if those series machines can be put into pure Legacy mode in BIOS (vs CSM option for UEFI?) Thank you again, this is very much adding value to my solution process! Dave

P51 supports legacy-only mode but you would be running it in a way that is untested by Lenovo.  Our Win7 factory preloads are UEFI (and has been since 2016).  So you will be re-installing Win7 yourself if you require legacy mode.  You'll probably want to read up about USB 3.0 and NVMe support in Win7.  These drivers must be added to your Win7 ISO since Win7 (from 2009) doesn't natively support 2018 hardware.  https://support.lenovo.com/ca/en/solutions/ht103541

 

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