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Lenovo ThinkPad P71 - Third hard drive installation

2018-01-09, 14:53 PM

Is there any documentation regarding the installation of a third hard drive in a Lenovo ThinkPad P71? I found the information on how to remove/replace the hard drive. However, I would like to have more specific information as to the location of each hard drive, is the third hard drive bay empty or does it have an adapter at the moment? It would be great to have this information before I buy the hard drive and start the installation.

 

PS: I currently have a 1TB SSD and 1TB HDD from Lenovo and I plan on buying/installing this hard drive: Crucial MX500 1TB 3D NAND SATA 2.5 Inch Internal SSD - CT1000MX500SSD1(Z)

 

Any tips and/or recommandation would be appreciated.

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Re: Lenovo ThinkPad P71 - Third hard drive installation

2018-01-09, 20:21 PM

Under service cover you can install 2x NVMe m.2 SSDs and 1x 2.5" SATA3 disk. Second 2.5" SATA3 disk can be installed in ODD bay - instead of optical drive. A special adapter is required to do it - FRU: 01AV333. If you have optical drive, then you have to buy this adapter first.

https://pcsupport.lenovo.com/uu/en/accessories/acc100318

 

 

P71 compatible part list:

https://download.lenovo.com/parts/ThinkPad/p71_frubom_20170830.pdf

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Re: Lenovo ThinkPad P71 - Third hard drive installation

2018-01-09, 21:23 PM

Thank you for the information. So based on that information, I would need to buy a M2 SSD (if I also want to keep the HDD and have a total of 3 hard drive). The compatible part list shows only M2 PCIe SSD. Is there a potential risk if I use a M2 SATA SSD?

 

I found one on Crucial's website and they say it is compatible with the Lenovo Thinkpad P71

http://www.crucial.com/usa/en/compatible-upgrade-for//thinkpad-p71#ssdResults 

 

 

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Re: Lenovo ThinkPad P71 - Third hard drive installation

2018-01-09, 22:41 PM

I always prefered Samsung, when it cames to SSD disks - you can check their 960 Series disks. However most of m.2 2280 should work out of box. If you're looking for "official" disks for your laptop, check link below:

http://thinkpads.org/fru/?t=P70

 

This website have photos of most parts used in ThinkPads. You can read disk models from these photos. And OPAL means hardware full disk encryption.

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Re: Lenovo ThinkPad P71 - Third hard drive installation

2018-01-10, 0:22 AM

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Thank you for the information. So based on that information, I would need to buy a M2 SSD (if I also want to keep the HDD and have a total of 3 hard drive). The compatible part list shows only M2 PCIe SSD. Is there a potential risk if I use a M2 SATA SSD?

 

I think you meant "keep the ODD", not HDD.  You would end up with (a) your existing primary 2.5" SATA HDD (which, incidentally, you could also simply replace with a 2.5" SSD if you wanted to improve performance and 100% eliminate drive spinning sound), (b) your existing M.2 2280 PCIe drive, which you didn't indicate as to whether it was either SATA or NVMe, (c) your existing SATA ODD drive in the Ultrabay, and (d) a new second M.2 2280 PCIe drive, which again could be ether SATA or NVMe.

 

Either SATA or NVMe is allowed for the M.2 drives, but the NVMe models provide superior read/write performance.  The M.2 bays in the P71 support either drive type.  Just be careful that if you go with a SATA version (with two notches in the connector end, vs. the NVMe cards which have only one notch in the connector end) that you install it correctly with the right-side-up.  There is also tightening screw pre-installed at the factory at the other end of the M.2 bay, for you to fasten down that end of the card.

 

SATA III maxes out at a throughput of 600MB/s (or 300MB/s for SATA II). Via that connection, most SSDs will provide Read/Write speeds in the neighborhood of 500-550 MB/s. For comparison, a 7200 RPM SATA drive manages around 100-225MB/s depending on SATAII or SATAIII, cache size, age, condition, level of fragmentation, etc..

 

PCIe NVMe drives, on the other hand, provide write speeds as high as 3500MB/s.

 

Of course NVMe costs more than SATA.

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Re: Lenovo ThinkPad P71 - Third hard drive installation

2018-01-10, 0:58 AM

You are correct, except that my primary drive is the existing SSD.

(a) Existing SSD (1TB SSD PCIe TLC OPAL2) according to my Order and I believe it's a samsung

(b) New SSD, either one of these:

           (b.1) Samsung 960 EVO Series - 1TB PCIe NVMe - M.2 Internal SSD (MZ-V6E1T0BW)

           (b.2) Crucial MX300 1TB SATA M.2 (2280) Internal Solid State Drive - CT1050MX300SSD4

(c) Existing HDD (1TB HD 5400RPM)

(d) Optical Drive (Not planning on replacing it for a hard drive)

 

So I am basically replacing the slow existing HDD for a SSD (and this is where my statement of keeping the HDD comes in, as if I would have bought a 2.5" SSD, the only option that I would have is to replace the existing HDD. If I buy a M2 SSD, I also get to keep the HDD)

 

I'm leaning towards the SATA drive since my primary SSD is already a PCIe and the secondary SSD will be mainly for storage.

 

Thank you for your input

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Re: Lenovo ThinkPad P71 - Third hard drive installation

2018-01-10, 2:17 AM

I understand that your existing 1TB M.2 PCIe NVMe SSD is your "primary" Windows drive, i.e. the one on which the Boot Manager partition is located along with the Windows C partition.  When I used the word "primary" (somewhat ambiguously, I guess) I was referring to the 2.5" drive SATA bay in which you currently have your 1TB 5400rpm SATA drive as the "primary drive bay", as contrasted to the additional M.2 bays whose connectors support either SATA or NVMe M.2 PCIe devices, and the Ultrabay where the ODD is currently installed.

 

I was confused by your use of the word "new", as opposed to "replace" or "swap" or "upgrade", describing your original desire to buy a 2.5" Crucial SSD to replace the 2.5" 5400rpm HDD spinner as is now clearer.

 

But let's not get bogged down in semantics.

 

So just to summarize your basic upgrade options:

 

(1) With regard to your current 2.5" 5400rpm SATA HDD spinner being used as "data", you can retain it.

 

Or you can replace it with a 2.5" SATA SSD (e.g. 2.5" Samsung 850 Evo SSD or 2.5" 850 Pro SSD in the 2.5" SATA form are more expensive than the similar 2.5" Crucial MX300).  No matter which product you buy replacing the HDD spinner with a 2.5" SATA SSD will probably triple your current read/write speed up to about 500MB., and will provide hugely faster access speed and with 100% no sound.

 

(2) Independent of what you decide to do with your 2.5" 5400rpm HDD spinner in that bay, you can also add a second M.2 PCIe drive in the second M.2 bay (NVMe1), and here you can choose either M.2 SATA or M.2 NVMe type.

 

Yes, this would be a second "data" drive so how much you want to spend and what kind of performance you will be getting is up to you.  NVMe is significantly faster than SATA, but also more expensive.  This drive is independent of your existing M.2 primary Windows drive (in the NVMe0 bay), and you have total flexibility to install whatever you want here.

 

Note that Samsung also sells their M.2 850 Evo as a SATA drive, but again it is somewhat more expensive than the M.2 version of the SATA Crucial MX300. And even more expensive is the M.2 Samsung 960 Pro and M.2 Samsung 960 Evo, both of which are NVMe and thus provide 6-7x better performance than any SATA device will.

 

 

What has gone unsaid here is that because you already have an existing 2.5" drive in the primary 2.5" bay, that means you already have the required "mounting adapter bracket" needed for any 2.5" drive.  This is the 3-sided rubberized adapter that surrounds the drive itself, and that is needed so that the drive seats securely into the bay.  So if you did decide to swap the 2.5" HDD spinner for a replacement 2.5" SSD, you could simply re-use that same rubberized adapter with the new SSD.

 

Also, unlike with the "convertible use M.2 bays" of the P50/P51 which requires particular special "trays" (one type specifically for SATA M.2 a second type specifically for NVMe M.2) in order to install M.2 drives in the two M.2 bays, the P70/P71 doesn't.  The M.2 bays in the P70/P71 are specifically designed ONLY for an M.2 drive, and have been built with a connector that can handle either NVMe or SATA drives.

 

So all you need to worry about is what drive(s) you want to add or replace in your P71.

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Re: Lenovo ThinkPad P71 - Third hard drive installation

2018-01-11, 19:23 PM

Thank you very much for the in depth explanation. This helps me a lot in my decision and also I learned a lot about the internal of my machine before I open it up which is exactly what I was looking for.

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