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My W530 won't start after clean windows installation

2019-03-04, 20:36 PM

My Lenovo W530 crushed. It turned out that my HD had died. Replaced it with a brand new SSD. Prepared a windows 10 boot on USB and connected it to the laptop. The laptop is installing the OS but afterward (?) fails to boot from the new installation. The laptop simply starts the boot process and cycles power again and again. Tried the same process with a formatted used HD, ended up with the same results. Run diagnostics and everything seems to be in good shape. Didn't install the drivers as boot process ended prematurely and didn't get to that. Seems to me that windows installation didn't complete properly for some reason. Can access the boot order menu (F12), diagnostics menu (F10) and BIOS menu (F1). Tried swapping the memory modules (DIMMs) and also tried booting with 16GB of RAM (instead of 32) to no avail. 

Configuration: W530, i7-3720QM @ 2.60 GHz, machine type model: 24382HU 
BIOS Ver: G5ETB2WW (2.72)

RAM 32 GB: 4xDIMM each 8 GB, Kingston KVR16S11/8, DDR3

Original windows: 7 Pro -> upgraded to win 10 (tried to install win 10 Pro)

Crushed HD: Seagate SSHD 1000GB, ST1000KM014 (was definitely the cause for the problem).

1st attempt to install windows: SanDisk 480GB, SDSSDA 2.5" SSD Drive

2nd attempt to install windows: Seagate 7200 RPM 320 GB, ST9320423AS

Any ideas what am I doing wrong?

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Re: My W530 won't start after clean windows installation

2019-03-05, 0:13 AM

Are you re-installing Windows from the Lenovo Recovery CD or doing a fresh install via Windows 10 Media Creation Tool?

 

Get a recovery CD first and try. Call up Lenovo to request for the recovery disks.

W510: i7-720QM, 16GB, DDR3 PC10600 - 1033MHz Kingston Value RAM, 1GB Quadro FX880M, 2TB Seagate SSHD (Internal) + 2TB Seagate Firecuda SSHD (external via eSATA)

T410: i5-520M, 8GB, DDR3 PC8500 - 1066Mhz Kingston Value RAM, 512MB Geforce, 1TB Seagate SSHD (Internal) + 1TB Seagate SSHD (external via eSATA)
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Re: My W530 won't start after clean windows installation

2019-03-05, 5:40 AM

At first I was unable to install Win10 on my own W530, but it turns out the install media reflected 1803.

 

When I built new Win10 install media back at 1511, sure enough I was able to complete the install without a problem.  I then simply updated to 1803 (and later to 1809) without an issue.

 

Don't know how to explain this, except that there seems to have been some changes to the Win10 installation media itself over the three years which somehow was incompatible with W530 hardware.  There's nothing incompatible with 1803 or 1809, just with the 1803 install media. At least that's what it seems like.

 

Anyway I've been running Win10 1809 on my W530 without a problem, it's just that I had to start back at 1511.

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Re: My W530 won't start after clean windows installation

2019-03-05, 9:32 AM
I'm using the Windows 10 media creation tool, installing from a USB stick, not DVD. The DVD reader has been malfunctioning for years, I can get an external one but prefer the USB. Does Lenovo provide recovery from USB?
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Re: My W530 won't start after clean windows installation

2019-03-05, 9:36 AM
Awesome! It appears to be the direction I should pursue, now I need to get my hands on a 1511 install media, the problem is it is not supported by Microsoft anymore and thus not available on their site.
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Re: My W530 won't start after clean windows installation

2019-03-05, 9:56 AM

I think this site provides archives of the Win10 installer ISO downloads. It is pointed to from this site which provides the file names for all versions of the 1511 installer.

 

Then you can use RUFUS to build USB boot media from it.

 

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Re: My W530 won't start after clean windows installation

2019-03-05, 20:26 PM

DSperber thanks, I've tried your suggestions - downloaded the ISO file and build a USB boot media using RUFUS. However, it didn't work. Tried 2 different setting of RUFUS as well as a download from another source. None of them worked. The phenomenon is that the installation goes fine (in Safe mode, should I try something else?) and when the process is complete the laptop reboots and reboots, etc.  

I must be doing something wrong, but what is it?

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Re: My W530 won't start after clean windows installation

2019-03-05, 22:21 PM

I don't know what it means to "perform the installation in Safe Mode".  I've always simply booted from the install media and proceeded, having previously established appropriately sized unallocated free space on some drive to be used as the target for the install.  If I had to delete something or resize something else in order to produce my desired free space where I wanted to, I just used Partition Wizard to do all of that.  But the Windows install itself (either Win7 or Win10) has simply gone normally.  I wouldn't even know what it means to "install in Safe Mode".

 

My own W530 originally came with Win7 pre-installed on a 512GB HDD spinner from Lenovo.  I subsequently replaced the HDD spinner with a 512GB Samsung 840 Pro SSD, cloning the Win7 system over from the original HDD spinner to the SSD.  I subsequently decided to just replace Win7 with Win10 (from scratch) and used Partition Wizard to delete the existing Win7 partition to produce unallocated free space on the SSD, which is where I intended to install Win10 to instead of the Win7 which had previously occupied the same space.

 

Having previously had some issues adding Win10 as a stable second bootable Windows to my existing Win7 setup on a Thinkpad P70, the solution on that machine was to change the BIOS Startup option of "UEFI/Legacy Boot" from "Both" to "UEFI Only", I decided to do exactly the same thing for my W530 win10-replacement project (i.e. flat out replacing Win7 with Win10 on the W530, making it a single-boot Win10-only machine). So in advance of performing the Win10 install I simply made the BIOS change I knew would/should work in any case since I no longer needed the ability to support Win7.  So I changed it to "UEFI only", and then performed the Win10 1511 install from the USB I'd built with RUFUS from that 1511 ISO file.  No "safe mode" install or anything, just a normal install to the now unallocated free space previously occupied by my Win7 partition.

 

Worked fine for me.  I can't explain your own boot-loop, other than to suggest setting the BIOS to "UEFI only" and trying again if you haven't done that already.  Also, why did you install in "safe mode" (whatever that means) and not just do a regular Win10 install via the install media wizard?

 

Also, not that it should make any difference but my own W530 has a working CD/DVD optical drive.  But I absolutely did the Win10 install using a USB flash drive built by RUFUS from the 1511 ISO file, and didn't have any resulting problems as you've described.

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Re: My W530 won't start after clean windows installation

2019-03-06, 20:14 PM

Safe mode -> along with the options to select 32-bit or 64-bit installation there is also an option to click F8 which opens a new menu with many more options - the 1st one is safe mode.

Following your suggestion, I've modified the BIOS to have UEFI only, non-CSM, and also disabled secure boot as per RUFUS recommendation. 

Then, I've created a boot USB using RUFUS, with the following settings: 

Image options = Standard Windows installation

Partition scheme = GPT

Target system = UEFI (non-CSM)

File system = FAT32 (or NTFS) - created the boot USB twice - once with each setting.

Next, I tried to install windows booting from this USB. The only difference was the screens (e.g. flash screens). In the end, installation didn't complete and the laptop went on to continuously rebooting.

The attached picture shows the messages on screen at the beginning of the windows installation process, afterward, the laptop simply rebooted and the process starts all over again. 

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Re: My W530 won't start after clean windows installation

2019-03-06, 23:14 PM

Actually, my W530 BIOS tweak to install Win10 did not change the CSM option which had originally been present when Win7 was delivered. It's always been "CSM Suppprt: YES", not NO".  That's how it is set right now on my W530, set to "YES", as it's always been including when Win10 was installed from that 1511 USB.

 

It was only the "EFI/Lecacy Boot" option which I changed, from"Both" to "UEFI only".  I don't believe the CSM option is a factor here, and I would guess you can specify NO without consequence.  But I point out that for me it's set to "YES".

 

I believe it's really the "UEFI only" change which probably is beneficial when wanting to install Win10 on the W530 and no longer caring about Win7.  I'm quite sure the fact that it solved a particular USB-related problem on my P70 which stemmed from newer P70 BIOS updates probably has no connection to the BIOS for the W530 which didn't exhibit the same USB-related BIOS issue which was present on the P70.  Nevertheless, I believe "UEFI only" is what you should have.

 

 

As far as building the bootable USB media with RUFUS, it absolutely should be FAT32 as the USB target file system in my opinion. Although I've never actually tried it, I don't believe the W530 BIOS has the capability to read NTFS.  I may be wrong here but for absolute 100% sure it cannot be wrong to specify FAT32 which I'm 100% sure will then make the USB drive usable.  I cannot really comment trying to use an NTFS flash drive although I would say that you shouldn't even be trying this.

 

Here is what my own RUFUS setup looked like when I built my own 1511 bootable USB flash drive last year:

 

 

From your wording I'm not sure if you tried the whole install process TWO TIMES, once using FAT32 as the RUFUS output (which is correct) and a second using NTFS as the RUFUS output (which is wrong), and if so which of these is responsible for the screenshot messages. Since the messages are coming from the BIOS and pertain to NTFS I'm suspecting you are trying to use a USB flash drive built with NTFS instead of FAT32 as it should be.  Can you clarify?  Did you build the USB media twice, and try two separate installs?

 

If you did try only with NTFS out of RUFUS I would definitely ask to you to re-do the attempt, this time using FAT32 out of RUFUS.

 

Finally, I ask about the BIOS version on your W530. I am running with 2.72 at the moment.  I just checked and there apparently is a 2.73 offered by Lenovo from December. But I haven't yet installed it and I know I was therefore running with 2.72 when I did the Win10 install.

 

 

One more thing.  I mentioned that I could not complete the Win10 install using the results of using the MS USB Builder Tool which had grabbed the current ISO file at the time last year, which was 1803.  I happened to have had my own 1511 version of the Win10 (multiple versions) ISO file downloaded from MSDN several years ago when I had originally planned to maybe install Win10 on an experimental machine to learn what it was all about.

 

Well, when I looked at the full file name of the 1511 ISO hosted by that online archive site I pointed for you yesterday I noticed that the "English" version of that "multiple editions" installer had a suffix of 8379634.  It also said it contained Win10 Pro and Win10 Home.  Looking back at my own 1511 ISO file which I downloaded from MSDN in 2016, I see that it had a different suffix of 7223712.  I don't know if perhaps the 7223712 included another optional version of Win10 to install, or how it differs from 8379634.  Both of these are "English" (American, not UK).

 

Anyway, just on the offchance there's something not right with your ISO download, and just to give you another choice of an "English (American)" ISO to download and try and which I know is what I used with RUFUS and my own W530, I'm currently uploading that 7223712 4GB ISO file for 1511 from back in 2016 for you.  It's about 70% done at the moment and has another 45 minutes or so until it completes.  I will send you a PM when the upload finishes providing the URL link for you to download it, so that you can at least try it if you want.  It may not differ in its Win10 Pro from what you're currently trying, but it can't hurt to at least give it a shot.

 

Don't know what else to say. My own W530 is M/T 2438-52U.

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