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P51 Configuration Question

2017-05-19, 14:53 PM

This should be simple, but I cannot find details on whether or not this is possible.  

 

What I want (end-state) is a P51 with the 256Gb SSD as the boot drive and the 500Gb spinning drive as the data drive. When I look at the ordering page, I can get both those drives, but there is no way to specify the SSD as the boot drive. 

 

Alternatives are:

1. Buy the P51 with just the 500Gb non-SSD, install something like a Samsung 960 EVO 250GB NVMe SSD myself, migrate/reinstall Win10 from the non-SSD to the SSD, and tell the BIOS that the SSD is now the boot drive.

  • Pro - cheaper.
  • Con - more effort and there's always hiccups finding the right drivers.
  • Assumption - the P51 supports the Samsung 960 EVO 250GB NVMe SSD as a boot drive.

2. Buy the P51 with just the 256Gb SSD (so it's automatically the boot drive), then buy another 2.5" SSD or non-SSD drive (and the associated caddy kit from Lenovo) and install that.

  • Pro - no reinstall issues.
  • Con - More expensive since I need to buy the larger data drive ($80-$100 and it's free in option 1), plus the Lenovo SSD is about $90 more than option 1.

 

So, can I specify the SSD as the boot drive if I order the P51 with two drives, or do I have to go to alternative 1 or 2? If so, which one is generally recommended? Have I missed something critical?

 

Thanks,

 

~rick

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Re: P51 Configuration Question

2017-05-21, 1:25 AM

1) I'd opt for your alternative 2. This assures that the preinstalled OS is on the SSD.

2) SSD's  always cost more than spinning disks. I'd prefer a second M.2 NVMe SSD and (only as a third disk) a 2.5" SSD  (e.g. Samsung 850 EVO) over a spinning disk.

3) Check psref.lenovo.com for the topseller US configuration which comes closest to your needs

(Processor, RAM, SSD, Display) and see whether you find a reseller. Custom configurations may get more expensive.

 

Martin

 

P51 20HH001S++ (EMEA)

(SSD NVMe Samsung PM961  1TB, RAM 2x16GB 2400 ECC Samsung M474A2K43BB1-CRC, Monitor 15.6" 4K AUO B156ZAN02.1 )

 

 

 

 

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Re: P51 Configuration Question

2017-05-21, 19:13 PM

I have a P70 that came with 2 drives and the OS was installed on the SSD.  (That is no guarantee)  If you get just the spinning drive, pull it out before installing the OS.  If there are 2 drives and you are migrating from the HDD to the SSD, some people have ended up with the boot loader on the spinning drive and the rest of the system on the SSD, which works, but is a mess if you want to upgrade something.  If the SSD is the only drive, there is no way it can get screwed up.


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Re: P51 Configuration Question

2017-05-21, 19:42 PM

What's the price different between 1Tb M.2 drive from Lenovo & an online shop?

 

Just to know if it worth the hassle

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Re: P51 Configuration Question

2017-05-21, 21:23 PM

In my country the following SSD 1TB M.2 NVMe are available:

 

Samsung PM961 OEM  -15.83%   (no support, Samsung Magician does not work)

Samsung 960 EVO          -5.73%   (Samsung support, Samsung Magician)

Lenovo 4XB0N10301       0%        (PM 961; Lenovo support and warranty)

Samsung 960 Pro        +23.1%       (Samsung support, Samsung Magician)

 

(Availability and price differences may vary from country to country.)

 

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Re: P51 Configuration Question

2017-05-21, 21:56 PM

When I'm buying the P51, I'll add the the ssds in my configuration. No need to buy after from an online store

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Re: P51 Configuration Question

2017-05-21, 22:52 PM

wrote:

When I'm buying the P51, I'll add the the ssds in my configuration. No need to buy after from an online store


OK, if you can. I could not, since so far, there were only two topseller configurations available in my country.

I got my 20HH001S++ by the end of last week. Absolutely awesome dream workstation (better than my Xeon E3-12xxv3 desktop workstation I built three years ago).

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Re: P51 Configuration Question

2017-05-22, 14:32 PM

Chuckwe:

 

Where I am, the numbers look like this:

  • Lenovo-installed 256Gb SSD is $250, the retail 960 EVO is $150, and the SM961 is $200.
  • Lenovo-installed 1Tb SSD is $670, the retail 960 EVO is $500, and the SM961 is $580.

So it isn't a huge difference in price.

 

Part of the issue is that you can only select a drive > 256Gb for your 'first'drive. If you want a second m.2 SSD, the only option is a 256Gb. I want a smaller boot drive, and a larger secondary which Lenovo doesn't seem to offer out of the box.

 

So now I am looking for whether or not you need to buy the trays for the m.2 SSD (or the drive caddy for a 2.5" SSD) like you had to for the P50 and it doesn't seem that Lenovo offers them (yet). Would the P50 versions fit? Maybe, but I'd hope that someone from Lenovo could answer that one.

 

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Re: P51 Configuration Question

2017-05-22, 17:08 PM


~rick:

 

According to the Lenovo US configurator both M.2 drives need to be of the same size (1st M.2 256GB automatically leads to 2nd M.2 256GB as well.)

Suggestion: go for the largest 1st M.2 you can afford, reduce the volume with Win10 and create a second (user data) partition.

BTW: my built in Lenovo 1TB came with 260MB boot partition (EFI), 956.52GB startpartition (System; the one you could shrink) and 1000MB recovery partition. I checked that the startpartition can be reduced to approx. half its size. I think this should also be possible with a 512GB M.2.

 

Concerning your M.2 tray / 2.5" kit question, I' m interested in an 'official' answer too.

(M.2 tray: 4XB0K59917 ? / 2.5" kit: 4XB0L63274 ?)

 

Martin

 

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Re: P51 Configuration Question

2017-06-03, 6:50 AM

 So now I am looking for whether or not you need to buy the trays for the m.2 SSD (or the drive caddy for a 2.5" SSD) like you had to for the P50 and it doesn't seem that Lenovo offers them (yet). Would the P50 versions fit? Maybe, but I'd hope that someone from Lenovo could answer that one.


In this review there are a number of pics of an opened P51, which might answer our questions.

https://geeketeer.net/lenovo-thinkpad-p51-review/#jp-carousel-102

SSD M.2 tray is needed to install second M.2 SSD.

There are two different M.2 SSD trays available:

4XB0L78233 without thermal pad, not recommended for PCIe/NVMe M.2 SSDs

4XB0K59917 with thermal pad, recommended for PCIe/NVMe M.2 SSDs

Furthermore a harddisk kit 4XB0L63274 is needed to install 2.5" SSD/HDD (max. 7mm thick)

Martin

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