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Message 11 of 24

Re: P53 (OLED vs. UHD, RTX 5000 vs. RTX 4000)


@richk wrote:

I want to see one before I decide.  I have never had an OLED screen for any period of time to be able to compare battery life. Weight is less important to me, but it might be REALLY important to you. The cost might be "worth it" to you but not to me.  (Also, until it is for sale, there is no way to know the pricing.  It might be worth it at $19 but not worth it at $1,900)  I will say that the first time I saw one at a trade show, I just stared at it for about 20 minutes.  In theory, an OLED screen should use less power, especially if you use a black background because the black areas don't need to be lit.  In practice, I have heard that previous versions used more rather than less power, so I don't know.  There is no way to know about the burn-in problem until they have been used for a while.  One more thing:  I have always preferred a touch display on laptops and the OLED seems the only high-res, touch option.


My P53 with the OLED display finally arrived. I believe that the extra cost of the panel (compared to a UHD panel) was a incremental $246 for my configuration, but that also gave me multi-touch capability. The image quality is awesome. I also purchased the X-Rite factory calibration which is uniquely matched to the panel in the unit. The calibrations are stored in the Lenovo cloud referenced by the serial number of the unit. I don't believe that the incremental weight of the glass digitizer is significant when the unit is already over 5+ pounds. However, compared to my P70, this P53 is much, much lighter but not in the ultrabook category nor would I have expected it. The OLED panel, BTW, is the same as the panel in the P1 Gen2.


P53 XEON 2276 BIOS 1.17 OLED UHD 4K Multi-touch display, 96GB RAM, RTX5000, RAID 1, 1TB x 2 Samsung PM981, 1TB PM981, WWAN
P70 XEON 1505, BIOS 2.32, 4k Display, 64GB, M3000M NVIDIA GPU, RAID1 1TB Samsung PM981 PCIe-NVMe SSD x 2, 2x Samsung 850 Pro 1TB SSD. EM7455 WWAN
P1. BIOS 1.24,Xeon Processor, 32GB, PM981 1TB x 2, RAID1
T470s, 16GB RAM, BIOS 1.10, i7-7500, WQHD display, 512GB PM961 PCIe NVMe SSD
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Message 12 of 24

Re: P53 (OLED vs. UHD, RTX 5000 vs. RTX 4000)

Does your OLED display have trouble maintaining accuracy when brightness is turned up? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtQPwbftSLg



How about the power consumption when 100% brightness and displaying all white colors on screen?

 

 

 

 

 

@harrisb

 

Sorry to out of topic but I'm seeking information for RTX 5000 GPU in P-series ThinkPad

 

A simple test, just open up GPU-Z (https://www.techpowerup.com/download/techpowerup-gpu-z/) and tell us what the video memory brand is.

 

Usually it would show up like this (example on a Lenovo ThinkStation GPU): https://i.imgur.com/5aN17lc.png

 

Also if you could open up your "advanced" -> "general" and  "advanced" -> "nvidia bios" tab and expand the window, please give us the screenshot.

 

Example "advanced" -> "general" : https://i.imgur.com/08a1fvo.png 

 

Example "advanced" -> "nvidia bios":  https://i.imgur.com/yrwH8HZ.png)

 

 

Thanks in advance!

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Message 13 of 24

Re: P53 (OLED vs. UHD, RTX 5000 vs. RTX 4000)

The video memory is Samsung GDDR6.


P53 XEON 2276 BIOS 1.17 OLED UHD 4K Multi-touch display, 96GB RAM, RTX5000, RAID 1, 1TB x 2 Samsung PM981, 1TB PM981, WWAN
P70 XEON 1505, BIOS 2.32, 4k Display, 64GB, M3000M NVIDIA GPU, RAID1 1TB Samsung PM981 PCIe-NVMe SSD x 2, 2x Samsung 850 Pro 1TB SSD. EM7455 WWAN
P1. BIOS 1.24,Xeon Processor, 32GB, PM981 1TB x 2, RAID1
T470s, 16GB RAM, BIOS 1.10, i7-7500, WQHD display, 512GB PM961 PCIe NVMe SSD
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Message 14 of 24

Re: P53 (OLED vs. UHD, RTX 5000 vs. RTX 4000)

Do you have screenshot for "advanced" -> "general" and  "advanced" -> "nvidia bios"  tab? Please give us the screenshot.

 

Example "advanced" -> "general" : https://i.imgur.com/08a1fvo.png 

 

Example "advanced" -> "nvidia bios":  https://i.imgur.com/yrwH8HZ.png)

 

@harrisb

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Message 15 of 24

Re: P53 (OLED vs. UHD, RTX 5000 vs. RTX 4000)

From where do you choose the advance option?

kekistan_prez
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Message 16 of 24

Re: P53 (OLED vs. UHD, RTX 5000 vs. RTX 4000)


@lenovotv wrote:

From where do you choose the advance option?


https://i.imgur.com/DCqshE0.png

 

 

On the top of the window.

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Message 17 of 24

Re: P53 (OLED vs. UHD, RTX 5000 vs. RTX 4000)

Hi harrisb,

 

I'm going to order a P53 very soon, but I have not yet decided what screen is better for my use case: IPS 4K or OLED 4K.

 

I spend many hours each day in my office reading and writing text on screen: what display should I pick?

 

Moreover I would like to know what is the exact weight of the P53 with the OLED display. According to the official specs it should weight 2,9 kg (the base model is just 2,4 kg), but for P1-2G and X1E-2G (which have the same display options) the weight difference reported in specs is a lot smaller.

 

Finally I would like to see a few pictures of the P53 with the OLED display since I suppose that the bezels are different comparing to the IPS non-touch models.

 

Thanks!

 

P.S. Is it really the same OLED panel of P1-2G and X1E-2G?

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Message 18 of 24

Re: P53 (OLED vs. UHD, RTX 5000 vs. RTX 4000)


@mozzo wrote:

Hi harrisb,

 

I'm going to order a P53 very soon, but I have not yet decided what screen is better for my use case: IPS 4K or OLED 4K.

 

I spend many hours each day in my office reading and writing text on screen: what display should I pick?

 

Moreover I would like to know what is the exact weight of the P53 with the OLED display. According to the official specs it should weight 2,9 kg (the base model is just 2,4 kg), but for P1-2G and X1E-2G (which have the same display options) the weight difference reported in specs is a lot smaller.

 

Finally I would like to see a few pictures of the P53 with the OLED display since I suppose that the bezels are different comparing to the IPS non-touch models.

 

Thanks!

 

P.S. Is it really the same OLED panel of P1-2G and X1E-2G?


1. The OLED panel is the same part for the P53, X1 Extreme Gen 2, and the P1 Gen 2. There's no PWM for the OLED. I'm not sure about the 4k UHD panel for PWM, but I think that it is present

2. The glass touch panel on the OLED most likely adds 3 ounces and not 1 lb. to the total weight of the P53

3. The text rendition on the OLED panel vs. the UHD panel is clearer due to the lack of the matte top surface. That said, even though the OLED panel has anti-reflective and anti-glare coating on the glass, there are still reflections from lights/windows which will be more diffused on the UHD panel due to the matte surface.

4. The glass panel goes edge to edge (no bezel) on the top lid. The screen surround is underneath the glass and it looks at lot cleaner.

5. I have the RTX5000 GPU in my system which has a larger heat sync/fan (as do all the RTX units) so that is most likely where the some of the extra weight could be coming from. The X1 Extreme and the P1 have lower GPU which do not run as hot, hence a lighter heat sink.


P53 XEON 2276 BIOS 1.17 OLED UHD 4K Multi-touch display, 96GB RAM, RTX5000, RAID 1, 1TB x 2 Samsung PM981, 1TB PM981, WWAN
P70 XEON 1505, BIOS 2.32, 4k Display, 64GB, M3000M NVIDIA GPU, RAID1 1TB Samsung PM981 PCIe-NVMe SSD x 2, 2x Samsung 850 Pro 1TB SSD. EM7455 WWAN
P1. BIOS 1.24,Xeon Processor, 32GB, PM981 1TB x 2, RAID1
T470s, 16GB RAM, BIOS 1.10, i7-7500, WQHD display, 512GB PM961 PCIe NVMe SSD
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Message 19 of 24

Re: P53 (OLED vs. UHD, RTX 5000 vs. RTX 4000)

Sales suggested that if I go for OLED, I better buy 5 years of warranty in case issues with new OLED technology come out such as burn in. However, there is a big jump in price of $310 if I go for Onsite+Accidental from 3 years to 5 years. is it worth? What suggestion do all of you have? In case something goes wrong with OLED and I decide not to use OLED after a 3-year warranty, do I have to buy a 4K UHD screen myself? Usually how much buying direct from Lenovo? Will they come to my home to replace it for me?

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Message 20 of 24

Re: P53 (OLED vs. UHD, RTX 5000 vs. RTX 4000)

I usually purchase a 3 year onsite + accidental warranty. I would believe that you need the accidental warranty because burn-in is user caused and not a defect. However, the panel could fail (I've never had one yet in that situation) so the insurance is cheap. BTW, you cannot swap out the OLED panel for a 4K UHD panel as the dimensions of the lid are different and it really won't be worth it to upgrade a 3 year old system. You do need to be careful with long-time static items on the display. I've had OLED panels for a couple a years now with no burn-in issues. Most mobile phones are OLED today and I've not had anyone of my device get burn-in. If you are so scared of the issue, then do not purchase the panel. I recall that the OLED panel was about $250 more than the 4K LCD panel when I configured the system.


P53 XEON 2276 BIOS 1.17 OLED UHD 4K Multi-touch display, 96GB RAM, RTX5000, RAID 1, 1TB x 2 Samsung PM981, 1TB PM981, WWAN
P70 XEON 1505, BIOS 2.32, 4k Display, 64GB, M3000M NVIDIA GPU, RAID1 1TB Samsung PM981 PCIe-NVMe SSD x 2, 2x Samsung 850 Pro 1TB SSD. EM7455 WWAN
P1. BIOS 1.24,Xeon Processor, 32GB, PM981 1TB x 2, RAID1
T470s, 16GB RAM, BIOS 1.10, i7-7500, WQHD display, 512GB PM961 PCIe NVMe SSD

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