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SSDee
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W520 vs W530 USB 3.0 boot drive

I own a W520, which has an eSATAp port. I use this port quite a bit to boot various Windows 7 o/s configurations. This port has been eliminated in the W530, as has the eSATA port on the dock.

 

I wanted to see if I could boot from an external drive using a JMicron USB 3.0 to SATA cable. First, I booted from the drive using my trusty eSATAp cable, no problem. Then I tried the USB 3 cable. The drive wasn't recognized in BIOS unless I plugged it into a USB 2 port. After I did that, I could plug the cable into a USB 3 port, and BIOS at least saw the drive. I then tried booting, but the system BSODed.

 

I'm guessing the situation has changed on the W530 with the native support for USB 3 in Ivy Bridge. Has anyone successfully booted from USB 3 on the W530 or the W520?

 

Now why Lenovo discontinued the eSATAp port... don't get me started.

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Re: W520 vs W530 USB 3.0 boot drive

If you can free up the UltraBay, get a HDD caddy, carve a slot in caddy bezel, then thread one of these through:

http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10226&cs_id=1022607&p_id=8492&seq=1&for...

 

Think of it as a DIY eSATAp for the W530.


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SSDee
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Re: W520 vs W530 USB 3.0 boot drive

@Colonel - That is an entertaining idea. It isn't as versatile as having an eSATAp port, but it does make me laugh. Thanks!

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Re: W520 vs W530 USB 3.0 boot drive


@SSDee wrote:

I own a W520, which has an eSATAp port. I use this port quite a bit to boot various Windows 7 o/s configurations. This port has been eliminated in the W530, as has the eSATA port on the dock.

 

I wanted to see if I could boot from an external drive using a JMicron USB 3.0 to SATA cable. First, I booted from the drive using my trusty eSATAp cable, no problem. Then I tried the USB 3 cable. The drive wasn't recognized in BIOS unless I plugged it into a USB 2 port. After I did that, I could plug the cable into a USB 3 port, and BIOS at least saw the drive. I then tried booting, but the system BSODed.

 

I'm guessing the situation has changed on the W530 with the native support for USB 3 in Ivy Bridge. Has anyone successfully booted from USB 3 on the W530 or the W520?

 

Now why Lenovo discontinued the eSATAp port... don't get me started.


How about this as a solution?

http://www.startech.com/Cards-Adapters/HDD-Controllers/SATA-Cards/2-Port-eSATA-ExpressCard-Drive-Con...

 


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Re: W520 vs W530 USB 3.0 boot drive

@Harris - The problem with the ExpressCard is that it isn't powered, as in eSATAp (the p stands for powered). There is a USB 3 to eSATAp dongle offered by Addonics:

 

eSATAp from USB 3 dongle

 

Whether or not one ends up with a bootable device at the end of that eSATAp cable is the question.

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Re: W520 vs W530 USB 3.0 boot drive


@SSDee wrote:

@Harris - The problem with the ExpressCard is that it isn't powered, as in eSATAp (the p stands for powered). There is a USB 3 to eSATAp dongle offered by Addonics:

 

eSATAp from USB 3 dongle

 

Whether or not one ends up with a bootable device at the end of that eSATAp cable is the question.


I thought that you wrote that you also can use the eSata port on the 433830U dock. That port is NOT powered so I assumed that your device had its own power supply. However, here is another ExpressCard34 adapter that supplies 1 eSata-p port.

 

http://www.startech.com/Cards-Adapters/HDD-Controllers/SATA-Cards/1-Port-eSATA-USB-34mm-ExpressCard-...


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Re: W520 vs W530 USB 3.0 boot drive

@Harris - I do use the eSATA port on the dock for my 4TB drives in enclosures. I use the eSATAp port on the W520 to boot bare 2.5" drives via an eSATAp cable.

 

My whole point is that Lenovo eliminated a very useful port from the W530. I think it's foolish, but that's just me.

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Re: W520 vs W530 USB 3.0 boot drive

The serial and parallel ports were also eliminated years ago because new devices used USB instead. Smiley Happy


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Re: W520 vs W530 USB 3.0 boot drive

@Harris - Most manufactures have not eliminated eSATA, and you don't get the same capabilities with USB 3 as you do with eSATA. Lenovo has decided eSATA/eSATAp is obsolete; prematurely in my opinion. Therefore, I'm didn't buy their update. I'm voting with my wallet; you vote with yours.

 

Now where the heck is that rs-232 connector on the W540?

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Re: W520 vs W530 USB 3.0 boot drive

@SSDee

 

I fully agree with your observations and position. I have two W520 systems (the 2nd purchased when the W530 was already on sale). The W530 offered nothing useful for me over the W520 and, as you pointed out, went backwards in capability for no apparent reason (not even mentioning the keyboard). Dell, HP and others still offer a USB 2.0/eSata-p interface on their workstation models. I didn't see the compelling reason to eliminate the functionality of the port. The 433835U dock is not fully compatible with the W520 for the use of the USB 3.0 port so that's even worse. I wound up buying the USB 3.0 docking adapter with 5 USB 3.0 ports and just plugging it into the side of the W520.

 

One of the issues that I encountered with the eSata-p implementation was that the W520 could not support more than 1 drive connected to the port because it didn't have the port multiplier feature. I wound up purchasing a two port ExpressCard34 that had the port multiplier feature imbedded.

  

Of course there's no Window 8 (or 8.1) to throw into the mix which further complicates the usability of the W520/W530. You really need to have both a keyboard AND a touch screen for this OS. It looks like I'll be on Windows 7 as long as I was on XP!

 

Thanks for the discussion.


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