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W530 (Win7 64 bit): Lenovo System Update - Not Notified of Newer Nvdia Display Drivers

Hello,

Anyone ever run into the case where Lenovo Thinkvantage System Update does not include newer drivers that can otherwise be found on the W530 Driver download page?

 

I hapened to look at the Lenovo Security Advisory page the other day and noticed the following issues pointing to new drivers for the w530 (the severity on both are listed as "High"):

LEN-15854:  NVIDIA GPU display driver contains multiple vulnerabilities in the kernel mode layer handler

CVE-2017-6251, CVE-2017-6252, CVE-2017-6253, CVE-2017-6254, CVE-2017-6255, CVE-2017-6256, CVE-2017-6257, CVE-2017-6258, CVE-2017-6259, CVE-2017-6260

09/21/201703/11/2018

LEN-14587:  NVIDIA GPU Display driver contains multiple vulnerabilities in the kernel mode layer handler

CVE-2017-0341, CVE-2017-0342, CVE-2017-0343, CVE-2017-0344, CVE-2017-0345, CVE-2017-0346, CVE-2017-0347, CVE-2017-0348, CVE-2017-0349, CVE-2017-0350, CVE-2017-0351, CVE-2017-0352, CVE-2017-0353, CVE-2017-0354, CVE-2017-0355

07/27/201703/11/2018

 

But when I run System Update I am NOT presented with these updated driver to download. I would assume these should have been pushed out as "Critical" updates. Also, it looks like there were previous versions I did not get notifications on as well. I also get the same results if I run the System Update via the W530 Drivers download page to detect my system and tell me what drivers I may need to install.

 

This problem seems to be only with the Nvdia Display drivers for some reason.

Anyone else ever seen System Update fail to notify of newer drivers that could otherwise be found on the W530 Drivers download page?

 

Has anyone else installed the latest Nvidia Display Drivers on a w530 running win7 64bit? I am reluctant to download these manually since my system is running fine, but I know I'll need these updates eventually since they fix several Nvidia security issues.

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Re: W530 (Win7 64 bit): Lenovo System Update - Not Notified of Newer Nvdia Display Drivers

I run both my W530 (K1000m) and P70 (M3000M) in "discrete graphics" mode.  I have no use for Optimus/hybrid graphics mode on either machine as they are either always plugged into AC power or even if running on battery they can survive for 1-2 hours before being plugged in again.

 

So I have no use for the Lenovo graphics driver file either through System Update or simply by checking the download page.

 

I have been using the latest nVidia retail graphics driver forever, since getting both laptops.  It's actually the same download for both GPU's for both laptops.  I'm currently running the latest 391.03 in Win7 on both W530 and P70, as well as 391.03 in Win10 on P70.  I keep them up-to-date by force of habit, although I probably have no need to upgrade the driver at all.  Nevertheless, never had a problem using the nVidia driver.

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Re: W530 (Win7 64 bit): Lenovo System Update - Not Notified of Newer Nvdia Display Drivers

Dsperber,

The drivers listed on the download page are from Nvidia. If running in hybrid graphics mode, the system uses the Intel Display drivers which are still included in the Nvidia driver. Like you, I run on AC power most of the time so good to hear the latest driver levels are working ok.I also have the same grphics hardware - Intel HD Graphics 4000 in processor, and NVIDIA Quadro® K1000M.

 

From the Readme here are the latest levels:

 

 Where: NVIDIA       : NVIDIA graphics driver
         NVIDIA Audio : NVIDIA HD audio driver
         Intel        : Intel graphics driver
         Intel Audio  : Intel HD audio driver

 NVIDIA        NVIDIA Audio  Intel          Intel Audio     Rev.  Issue Date
 ------------- ------------  -------------  ------------    ----  ----------
 22.21.13.8299 1.3.34.27     10.18.10.4491/ 6.16.00.3154/   01    2018/01/18 <-- latest available (Nvidia calls it 382.99)
                             9.17.10.4229   6.14.00.3097
 21.21.13.7674 1.3.34.21     10.18.10.4491/ 6.16.00.3154/   01    2017/02/15
                             9.17.10.4229   6.14.00.3097
 10.18.13.5474 1.3.34.4      10.18.10.4358/ 6.16.00.3154/   01    2016/05/18
                             9.17.10.4229   6.14.00.3097
 10.18.13.5445 1.3.34.3      8.15.10.2725   6.14.00.3090    01    2016/02/03
  9.18.13.4535 1.3.32.1      8.15.10.2725   6.14.00.3090    01    2015/06/23
  9.18.13.4520 1.3.32.1      8.15.10.2725   6.14.00.3090    01    2015/03/02 <-- level I am running (Nvidia calls it 345.20)

Did you download your Nvidia Display Drivers 391.03 for Win7 direct from the Nvidia website?

 

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Re: W530 (Win7 64 bit): Lenovo System Update - Not Notified of Newer Nvdia Display Drivers

I don't follow your point.

 

If running in "discrete graphics" mode there is no Intel GPU involved at all.  It is completely disabled at the hardware level.  Only the nVidia GPU is active, and is used 100% of the time.

 

So either the back-level older version can be used of the nVidia driver included with the Lenovo hybrid/Optimus download file (along with the Intel driver, which will not be relevant at all), or a newer version downloaded directly from the nVidia site can be used.  Either.

 

I have opted to just always use the most recent nVidia driver, directly downloaded from the nVidia site.  This is 391.03.  Whatever version of Intel graphics driver might still be installed on my W530 from back in 2013 when the laptop was purchased and probably arrived with Optimus mode enabled, I don't care.  It's not relevant since I'm running with the BIOS set to "discrete graphics" and there is no Intel GPU hardware operating so the Intel graphics driver is not active.  Only the nVidia graphics driver comes into play.

 

And ever since I did that many years ago I have maintained my nVidia graphics driver from the latest nVidia version available on the nVidia site, not getting it as part of some newer Optimus Intel/nVidia combination from Lenovo.   I don't know if for my K1000m there's any real functional or performance difference between the older Lenovo-provided nVidia driver and the newer nVidia-provided driver, but I simply stay current because I've habitually done it.

 

Yes, I understand that the newest but still older back-level version which is part of the Lenovo-available Intel/nVidia package suitable for hybrid/Optimus mode (since in this case both GPU's will be active) is 382.99.  That is definitely newer than the very very old 345.20 nVidia driver piece that you are running, and still older than my latest 391.03.   Is there any actual difference for the K1000m?  Probably not, but I'm still in the habit of remaining up-to-date per the nVidia site.

 

Note that the advantage of not going any newer than the 382.99 which is included in the Lenovo package is that Lenovo had absolutely tested it on the W530 and guarantees it will work.  In theory, nVidia might have made some driver change in a newer version which is perhaps defective or in some way becomes incompatible with the W530, as unlikely as that might be.  So conservatively, one could stay with the Lenovo-provided older version in the interests of prudence.

 

Again, is there likely any substantive change likely to affect the W530 and its K1000m in some newer nVidia driver version?  I think not.  There's probably zero real justification for wanting to "stay up-to-date with the latest retail driver version".  But then I've never had a problem in all these years.  Who knows going forward if I'll get bit some day?

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Re: W530 (Win7 64 bit): Lenovo System Update - Not Notified of Newer Nvdia Display Drivers

DSperber,

Thanks for clarifying. I had the impression that the Intel Graphic drivers are included with the Nvidia Driver download. That appears to be the case from the Lenovo website.

 

I think you are telling me any download direct from Nvidia would NOT include the Intel Drivers, right?

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Re: W530 (Win7 64 bit): Lenovo System Update - Not Notified of Newer Nvdia Display Drivers


@William417 wrote:

DSperber,

Thanks for clarifying. I had the impression that the Intel Graphic drivers are included with the Nvidia Driver download. That appears to be the case from the Lenovo website.

 

I think you are telling me any download direct from Nvidia would NOT include the Intel Drivers, right?


Correct.  The Optimus/hybrid driver package from Lenovo is created by Lenovo from two separate independently sourced drivers.  One part is obtained by Lenovo from Intel (which knows nothing about nVidia), and the other is obtained by Lenovo from nVidia (which knows nothing about Intel).  The nVidia driver obtained directly from nVidia would NOT include an Intel driver as well.

 

The nVidia GPU has the ability to be selectively utilized in Optimus-mode (i.e. invoked dynamically from the W530 firmware when needed, possibly as further controlled at the software level by the nVidia Control Panel).  But if not running in Optimus/hybrid mode at the BIOS level, if running in "discrete graphics" mode such that only the nVidia graphics hardware is active and is going to be used 100% of the time (including for the laptop screen) at its increased power-using cost which affects battery-mode lifetime which obviously is not of concern if you're always plugged into power, then the nVidia graphics hardware and nVidia graphics driver operate in pure nVidia-only mode.

 

So in this pure nVidia-only mode, the nVidia-only driver obtained from the nVidia site is perfectly acceptable.  Sure, it doesn't include an Intel driver portion, but then why would it?  Is that nVidia driver still capable of running in Optimus mode if you were to re-enable Optimus mode in the BIOS, even though it is newer than the one included in the Lenovo Intel/nVidia Optimus driver package?  Yes, because nVidia and its GPU and driver is how Optimus mode is enabled, if you are running a hybrid graphics setup.  No, it's not the older version of the nVidia driver which Lenovo most recently tested Optimus mode with and provided in its own Intel/nVidia driver package, but that's of no concern to me... since I run "discrete graphics", i.e. nVidia-only.

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Re: W530 (Win7 64 bit): Lenovo System Update - Not Notified of Newer Nvdia Display Drivers

Dsperber,

Appreciate all the background details. Makes more sense to me now.

 

Now, if only I can find out why System Update isn't informing me about these newer display drivers. I don't often go looking for driver updates unless System Update gives me a notification. It would be nice to be able to trust it giving me the latest-greatest updates. Not sure why it doesn't in this case. Maybe someone from Lenovo will chime in.

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Re: W530 (Win7 64 bit): Lenovo System Update - Not Notified of Newer Nvdia Display Drivers

Hello,

 

From what I understand, the backend catalog or repository that the Lenovo ThinkVantage System Update draws from is not always updated immediately.  It may take several days or even a few weeks before drivers released via the support web site are added.

 

From looking at the latest Nvidia Optimius Display Driver page that I could find for the ThinkPad W530 (https://pcsupport.lenovo.com/uu/en/products/LAPTOPS-AND-NETBOOKS/THINKPAD-W-SERIES-LAPTOPS/THINKPAD-...), it appears the driver package was last updated a month ago, which means it will probably be available via Lenovo ThinkVantage System Update shortly. 

 

If you do not wish to wait for Lenovo ThinkVantage System Update backend to be updated, you can always download drivers directly from the download page on Lenovo's support web site for your model.

 

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Aryeh Goretsky

 



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Re: W530 (Win7 64 bit): Lenovo System Update - Not Notified of Newer Nvdia Display Drivers

If it were just the latest version from that was released a month or two back I would agree with you. But I have  never gotten a notification for the Nvidia Dispaly Drivers through System Update and as you can see above I am several versions backlevel. So, nothing in the last 4 years. I seem to have gotten notification on all the other driver updates as far as I can tell.

 

 

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