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Clean out the "crapware" or do a fresh Win 7 install?

2012-07-10, 0:05 AM

I just got my system today and booted it up. Thisd is my third posting to the forum today as a result of questions I have.

 

It's always exciting to unpack a new system and boot it up for the first time. What did NOT thrill me was the "tablet" like interface and all the crapware that came pre-installed.  I have my own version of Office 2010 that I want to install, etc., and I don't need Kayak or 20 other "apps."  This is a work machine for a guy who travels a lot.

 

Am I better off doing a clean Win 7 install (from media I already have) and manually installing a few useful Lenovo utilites like the battery charge?  Or, should stay with the current install and uninstall all the stuff I don't want or need? 

 

What has been people's experiences? 

 

If I go the route of uninstalling unwanted stuff, which utility works well?  I know that the built-in Windows control panel applet doesn't do a great job.

 

Thanks.

 

Phil

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Re: Clean out the "crapware" or do a fresh Win 7 install?

2012-07-10, 6:28 AM
just burn the set of the recovery media from the Lenovo_Recovery (Q:) drive, and then do your clean install from the retail discs or the iso that you have.

I usually do this for my ThinkPads.
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Re: Clean out the "crapware" or do a fresh Win 7 install?

2012-07-10, 16:37 PM

I normally support this idea with the use retail driver discs after blowing out the partitians to bring it back to the only one needed and a fresh OS ( usually 7 Ent ) I am hesitant to agree as currently we are having issues with all of our T520's WLAN drivers not working at all from the lenovo support pages.

 

We did purchase business laptops that came with no restore media (since we have a deployment server for this generally) so you most likely will have recovery, depending on how it's boxed you should be able to blow everything out and make one complete drive vs a few smaller ones. Unless you like the lenovo built in recovery / test drive. We prefer UBCD tools for this however.

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Re: Clean out the "crapware" or do a fresh Win 7 install?

2012-07-10, 16:53 PM
Fresh install is a lot of work and getting it working with the Lenovo specific tools and drivers would take longer than the install. Some might save time if you've done it 3 or 4 times at least and know exactly what you need for each subsystem to work as in the OEM build. After its all said and done you still need the Windows Updates.

It far less work uninstalling the applications and some such as office and norton are not installed but just there waiting for you to active them and then they install. Both are easily removed. There is not a load of bloatware on the Thinkpads. CCleaner can cleanup some temp files etc further. Reg Clean... ahhh, I personally stay away from unless there is a pressing reason to do it.
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Re: Clean out the "crapware" or do a fresh Win 7 install?

2012-07-10, 17:54 PM

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Fresh install is a lot of work and getting it working with the Lenovo specific tools and drivers would take longer than the install. Some might save time if you've done it 3 or 4 times at least and know exactly what you need for each subsystem to work as in the OEM build. After its all said and done you still need the Windows Updates.

It far less work uninstalling the applications and some such as office and Norton are not installed but just there waiting for you to active them and then they install. Both are easily removed. There is not a load of bloatware on the Thinkpads. CCleaner can cleanup some temp files etc further. Reg Clean... ahhh, I personally stay away from unless there is a pressing reason to do it.


Tripplec,

 

I build all my own desktop PCs, which I why I already have Win 7 SP 1 64 bit Professional on DVD, so that's not an issue for me.

 

For me, the real issues are disk space and conflicts with software that I might install myself. 

 

As soon as I do a 48-hour burnin, I plan to swap the 500 GB hard drive for a 240 GB SSD, which I will partition into separate C (Programs), D (Data) and E (other).  With 240 GB, I won't be too tight on space but if I can reclaim say 20 GB of program space, that is good.

 

My ISP provides a free version of Norton Internet Security which is different from the "retail box" version.  Similarly, I already have Office 2010 Professional Plus.  I'm worried that simply installing these programs over the pre-installed versions could create system instability.

 

So the question is:

 

Which approach takes less time and leads to a better outcome.  I wouldn't be asking this question if my mind were already made up.

 

I DO agree strongly with you about  using a registry cleaner.  The last time I felt confident tinkering with system-level files was in the Win 3.1 days, with *.ini files.  A lot has changed since then, I simply don't understand most of it.

 

Phil

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Re: Clean out the "crapware" or do a fresh Win 7 install?

2012-07-10, 19:32 PM
Well let me say I have my system running Office 2010 Plus and MSE and not any of the pre packaged software. I have no problems in application conflicts. If you have Nvidia GPU then I recommend installing the Nvidia 3.01 beta package which fixes a lot of issues.

This takes far less time. I been building and support PC longer than most can remember and a clean build with 3rd party apps and all the updates isn't fun. Very very time intensive. Always has despite the system being faster. Getting all the hardware working properly is going to be the first challenge after that its pure grunt work.
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Re: Clean out the "crapware" or do a fresh Win 7 install?

2012-07-11, 2:48 AM

There is very little crapware on the stock install. Remember these are business machines which unlike consumer oriented laptops don't come with a bunch of junk.

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Re: Clean out the "crapware" or do a fresh Win 7 install?

2012-07-11, 3:40 AM
Hi,

Clean it out, don't do a fresh install unless you have the stock hard disk drive image retained.
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Re: Clean out the "crapware" or do a fresh Win 7 install?

2012-07-11, 4:00 AM

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There is very little crapware on the stock install. Remember these are business machines which unlike consumer oriented laptops don't come with a bunch of junk.


JDay,

 

I guess it's all the eye of the beholder.  For example, I don't use Flickr, try to minimize Facebook, don't use Gmail, Kayak, Pogo, PayPal only from my desktop system (so I don't leave anything that a hacker could find), Google Calendar, Billboard, Biztree, NetFlix (ever since they screwed up the pricing), and especially not Chrome or MTV, so all these apps are just so much wasted space and a source of potential instability and possibly vulnerability to hackers.  Etc, etc.  As you said, this is a business machine.

 

And even for apps that I do use, like Google search, Wikipedia, Skype, why should I have to deal with two entirely differnet interfaces, one a classic Windows, and the other a "Metro-like" interface probably copied from Windows 8?

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Re: Clean out the "crapware" or do a fresh Win 7 install?

2012-07-11, 4:01 AM

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Hi,

Clean it out, don't do a fresh install unless you have the stock hard disk drive image retained.

Sokuku,

 

I am tending to do as you suggest.  It's probably easier to "subtract" from the Lenovo image rather than "add" to a stock Win 7 image.

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