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Loading Windows 7 To MSSD, is it possible?

2013-09-16, 4:06 AM

Hey Guys,

 

I was customizing a T530 on the Lenovo website and I noticed the option to get a 16 GB mSSD drive put in the computer that would apparently make the computer a bit snappier with frequently used programs, but I thought it would be cool to load the entire W7 OS on there and really make it fly, while just using the HDD for storage.  But unfortunately for me, there's alot of mixed answers about that on other forums, and there's not even a lot of results in the first place, so I decided to come here and figure it out. Anyway, my questions are, 1, Since it's supposebly doable, what's the difference in performance compared to when it first came out of the box?  2, How difficult is it? I'm pretty good with computers but this kind of bends my confidence a little bit, can a well-trained shop do it for me? and 3, Is all the time and energy even worth it? When I receive it, should I just leave it alone and let it do its own thing, or should I not get the mSSD option and instead just take out the HDD and put a big SSD in its place?

 

All logical replies are greatly appreciated!

 

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Re: Loading Windows 7 To MSSD, is it possible?

2013-09-16, 16:22 PM
OK, I see, that's not a doable option for me as I'm currently using half of the 320 GB HDD on my current computer. What if you upgraded the mSSD from 16 to a higher size without spending too much more money but you're also making it even faster at the same time, is that doable?
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Re: Loading Windows 7 To MSSD, is it possible?

2013-09-16, 7:38 AM

Hi!

 

Assuming we are talking about a mSata SSD the answer to 1) is yes the performance difference will be big!

 

However, 16GB is far too small in my opinion. Depending on the type of W7 you use, I would recommend al least 64GB for Win7 32 bits and 128GB for Win7 64 bits (64GB may work here too but I would be uncomfortable with it).

 

About 2), if you're good at computers I'd recommend you do it itself since it's rather easy. Remove 2 screws from the bottom memory slot, two more screws for the keyboard and the mSata slot is exposed. Download first the T530 HMM (Click me) and follow the steps mentioned on page 80 (page 80 of the HMM, not from your pdf reader).

 

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Re: Loading Windows 7 To MSSD, is it possible?

2013-09-16, 15:10 PM

As Tasurinchi says, you will notice a huge performance improvement with an mSata SSD, but you will have to go for a significantly bigger disk than 16GB. One reason is that 16GB is not enough for Win7/8, the other is that the bigger the disk, the faster it is. There is a sweet spot though, the 128GB SSD. That is because msata protocol is using SATA II speeds and therefore a bigger and faster SSD will give you the same results as an 128GB one. So no need to go beyond 128GB, its expensive and rather useless. Most decent msata SSDs cost around $110-120 (Crucial M4 or M5, Plextor PX M5M are the best choices in my opinion).

 

As for the difficulty, you will only have to physically install the msata SSD which is rather easy and then it behaves just as any HDD disk would do. Install your choice of OS and you're done.

 

It is certainly worth it, especially if you need storage space on your laptop. If you don't need the storage at all, then it would be better to replace your HDD with a 2.5'' SSD, it is slightly cheaper and faster, but not really noticeable faster.

 

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Re: Loading Windows 7 To MSSD, is it possible?

2013-09-16, 15:42 PM
BigBlack, On the 128 GB SSD stuff, you're starting get a little too technical for me, I'm not the nerdiest guy around. :)
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2013-09-16, 15:51 PM

Ok, let's make it easy: Buy a 128GB SSD for the msata, it's the best option in terms of speed, size and value for money and a very balanced upgrade which you will not regret! :smileywink:

 

Buy either a Crucial M4 or M5, or a Plextor TX M5M.


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Re: Loading Windows 7 To MSSD, is it possible?

2013-09-16, 16:22 PM
OK, I see, that's not a doable option for me as I'm currently using half of the 320 GB HDD on my current computer. What if you upgraded the mSSD from 16 to a higher size without spending too much more money but you're also making it even faster at the same time, is that doable?

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Re: Loading Windows 7 To MSSD, is it possible?

2013-09-16, 16:50 PM

Maybe I don't understand what you're asking.

 

Of course you should buy a bigger than 16GB msata ssd, i suggested that the 128GB is the sweet spot, costing around $100-120. This is fast enough and spacious enough for the operating system and programs and you get to keep your 320GB HDD (installed of course as it is now, inside your laptop) as storage space for photos, music, videos.

 

You can certainly get a bigger msata ssd (around $250 for 256GB), but i don't see the point unless you really want to burn money. The point in using an ssd is to have the fast access, both read and write, to the operating system and programs. You do not need to load the SSD with all your files since you can keep your old big HDD for these, you don't gain practically anything by having photos and videos in an ssd...

 

Now, if the only option would be to replace the hard disk with a normal (not msata) SSD, then you certainly would need either to buy a very large SSD (spending $400-500) or to keep an external usb disk for your files. The only advantage would be that you would have full SATA III speeds instead of the SATA II speeds that an msata would give you. Having tried both options, the perceivable difference in speed between the two (SATA II vs SATA III) is negligible. There is a difference but you would know only by running benchmarks...

 

So, to conclude, get a 128GB msata ssd (or bigger if you insist and have money to spend) and keep your 320GB HDD for the storage of your files. The laptop will be really and significantly much faster and you will have a big smile on your face with the difference in speed from your old HDD. This is the best of the options IMO.

 

 


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Re: Loading Windows 7 To MSSD, is it possible?

2013-09-16, 19:11 PM

In other words, 128GB mSata SSD has currently the best price per GB ;)

 

 


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Re: Loading Windows 7 To MSSD, is it possible?

2013-09-16, 20:57 PM

Tasurinchi,

I don't think BigBlack's argument is about price per GB, his sweetspot is about performance. My Swedish retailer where I will later this year buy a W540 and then install mSata charges the following in Swedish crowns (sorry we didnt join the euro) including 20% VAT:

 

                                         SEK          SEK/GB

 

Cruical M500 120 GB            941             7.84

 

Cruical M500 240 GB          1754              7.31

 

Cruical M500 480 GB           3153             6.57

 

(1 US $ = approx 6.50 SEK)

 

Now the performance sweetspot today may be at the 120 GB range but where will it be when the W540 goes off warranty 5 years from now?

T500: Vista 32, 2.8GHz, 4GB RAM, 15.4" 1680x1050, 500GB 7200rpm, ATI Radeon HD3650 + Intel 4500MHD. T42: XP, 1.7GHz, 2GB RAM, 14.1" 1024x768, 250GB PATA, ATI Radeon 7500.

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Re: Loading Windows 7 To MSSD, is it possible?

2013-09-16, 22:12 PM

It's a bit more complex than just performance or price, because the criterion is triple: Space/performance/price. Let's take a look at the newest msata offer by Plextor, the M5M (prices from amazon.com):

 

64 GB : $75      $/Gb: 1.17

 

128GB: $100    $/Gb: 0.78

 

256GB: $190    $/Gb: 0.74

 

Now it is clear that a 64GB ssd is marginal in terms of space if you want to have a fully functional Win7/Win8 installation with several applications and games installed. It is always good to remember that a 20% free space on the ssd is good both for its health and performance. Also, the 64GB M5M does not fully saturate the SATA II channel because it has less memory channels than the other two (less memory channels=slower).

 

It's easy to conclude that the 64GB msata is expensive, relatively slow and has not enough space.

The other two share almost the same price per GB and they both saturate the SATA II channel. Of course 128GB is enough for the average Win7/Win8 installation without breaking the bank. The 256GB has double the space but at almost double the price. If i could spare the money i would go for the 256GB, if not i would be very happy to get the 128GB.

 

In fact i have the Crucial m4 128GB in my Thinkpad L520, along with a WD 500GB Caviar Black for storage. Having tried in real life almost all possible configurations I'm confident that the triple criterion of space/performance/price is fully satisfied.

 

I hope this helps.


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