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T410s versus Macbook Pro 15

2010-04-14, 23:35 PM

Hi everyone,

 

I have purchased the T410s, but have been having quite a bit of bad luck with my experience thus far: took 7 weeks from order to delivery, laptop began crashing (blue screen) regularly as soon as I got the machine, sent in to be replaced, got back very quickly but now keyboard not working well, and batter power about a 3rd of what specifications state (2.5 hrs).

 

So, now that the macbook pro comes with the i5/i7 processors, I'm considering going this route.

 

My thinking in weighing the pros and cons are that the T410s clearly wins in weight/portability, but being able to get the i7 on the mac, its unibody construction, and its battery power all are in favor of the mac.

 

I'm surprised there doesn't seem to be anything comparing these two machines when making a google search.

 

With the, I'd like to ask the community their thoughts. Thank you, in advance!

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Re: T410s versus Macbook Pro 15

2010-04-15, 0:17 AM

2.5 hrs on power saver mode or performance mode?

 

When you say the keyboard doesn't work, can you elaborate a bit more?

 

Macbook Pro is fairly good machine, other than the following problems:

 

-no dock connector

 

-weak hinge design and it doesn't have 180 degrees of movement.

 

-integrated battery that can't be taken out for user replacement, if your battery die you have to send it in for expensive replacement.

 

-and doesn't run windows very well, as there are many drivers missing, and the battery life under windows mode is quite woeful. It also run hot under windows environment.

 

These are all factors that you have to consider when you get the macbook pro. 

 

 

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Jin Li

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Re: T410s versus Macbook Pro 15

2010-04-15, 0:26 AM

Thank you for your response.

 

First  off, I want to emphasize that Lenovo's customer service has been very good. And the machine has run well since I got it back from the repair center.

As for the keyboard, a couple of the keys require much more pressure to function. Customer service told me to try spraying a little compressed air on them, and if that doesn't do the trick to either send it back in or that they'd send me a new keyboard with instructions for me to replace it myself.

 

Your points are very well taken. Especially the battery issue. If I were to go with mac I would stick with their op system.

 

As for battery life, the 2.5 hours (actually a little less) is when on energy star mode.

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Re: T410s versus Macbook Pro 15

2010-04-15, 0:47 AM

which os are you using? and what model T410s do you have?

 

2.5 hours sound a little on the low side.

 

Is your os aftermarket or OEM, and what edition?

 

 

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Re: T410s versus Macbook Pro 15

2010-04-15, 0:54 AM

Windows 7, 64-bit

OEM

Model: 2901

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Re: T410s versus Macbook Pro 15

2010-04-15, 16:54 PM

Do you have the bay battery? What software have you added?

 

The T410s should be able to get on the order of 3-5hr with just the system battery, maybe 5-8hr with the bay battery under realistic usage. 

 

In my opinion, without the bay battery, the T410s is seriously under-battery'd. If I actually used an optical drive on any sort of regular basis, I wouldn't have bought one. With they bay battery, total battery is respectable. 

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Re: T410s versus Macbook Pro 15

2010-04-15, 19:51 PM

I don't; just the 6 cell that comes with the machine. I have added only minimal software at this point, and have only had the machine for a week (post return from Lenovo repair shop, where they redid everything).

 

This is under normal usage conditions: not watching dvds, gaming, or similar. Just spreadsheet, office/school work, etc.

 

And, I just realized that when the repair shop redid everything they accidentally installed 32-bit instead of the 64-bit it originally came with, which I ordered. Arg . . .

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Re: T410s versus Macbook Pro 15

2010-04-15, 20:50 PM

I am happy with my choice of T410s (80G SSD, 4GB RAM) for the following reasons:

 

1. the IBM style keyboard is awesome and if you get used to it, it greatly simplifies life. The keys are closer to each other and the feeling is much better than on a mac.

2. Lenovo laptops are very durable, no fear of scratches/breaking

3. Price 200-300$ less than for a Macbook Pro 13".

4. Better for Windows 7 which I really like

5. Macbook pro 13" still has Core Duo and  if you go for the processor you'll need a macbook with 15" screen which for me is too bulky

6. Thought power management would be better on a pc but here I was wrong. As others wrote, it can't go more than 2.5-3 hours. Hence I ordered the ultrabay battery. There are some issues there with the bay's number of charging cycles and its life expectancy though.

7. The discrete NVidia graphic card is irrelevant to me since I don't play games

 

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Re: T410s versus Macbook Pro 15

2010-04-18, 22:41 PM

I have a MB Pro 13 inch and the T410s.  Asking me which is better is more a matter of software than machine.  The 410S is much lighter and the screen is bigger but not as bright.  The keyboard on both is very different but the MB has a phenomenal touchpad.  I love the 3 button pointing system and the new touchpad on the T410 but it isn't in the league of the MB.  Using a Logitech Mouse solves this w. the Lenovo.

 

My Lenovo is much lighter and thus more portable.  Security is better w. a Mac while Windows (although Win 7 is great) is much better.  Also, Mac has a nice backlit keyboard while Lenovo's keyboard is better for typing (slight) but the light is basically useless.  Battery life is comparable but Apple's suspend and power optiimization in the OS is better.

 

But... if I had to do with one I would choose Lenovo.  I don't like MS software on a Mac.  It just isn't the same thing.  Apple software on a Mac is great and has many benefits, but this is more about Music, Photos etc. 

 

Internent surfing is more enjoyable on a Mac due to the touchpad.  And I use Firefox for both.  I use a docking station w. the Lenovo and don't see needing one w. the MB.  Just 2 different machines.  The Lenovo is more comfortable in many ways.  The MB aluminum has sharp edges. 

 

Still I love my Outlook and can't do without.  I use an external drive w. the Lenovo and the MB I use the Airport Extreme w. a Backup drive hooked up for wireless backups.  I can go on & on.  There is no perfect solution and IMO I think there is room for a new type of computer in the market that no one has thought of yet.  Time will tell.

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Re: T410s versus Macbook Pro 15

2010-05-11, 4:26 AM

dgad,

 

I'm a student looking for a new laptop and I'm basically torn between the macbook pro 15 and the Lenovo T410s, both of which have the i5 processor and essentially the same hardware, except the Lenovo gives a 600 dollar student discount to make the 2275 dollar laptop only 1670 while my almost identically configured macbook pro is 2100 after the meager 100 dollar student discount. Based on your experience with both, would you mind writing a more in depth review between the two?

 

As a student, I'm primarily looking at programs within the microsoft office set, but I'm a little held up with what you said about the internet surfing being more enjoyable on the mac. How so? And just generally for a student, which would you recommend? I'm going to Berkeley for pre-business and so I shouldn't have any need to run hefty programs like CAD.

 

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