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Re: T420S? can't wait for it? when?!

2011-03-17, 14:35 PM
Sorry hecke, maybe I should have clarified this.
Im not one for switchable graphics. I typically leave my discrete graphics card on permanently. In my current t500 I can do this at the bios level. Will I not be able to do this with Optimus?

Also the integrated graphics versions of the thinkpads will of course not have this issue. I havent decided whether to go for discrete or integrated yet.
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Re: T420S? can't wait for it? when?!

2011-03-17, 14:52 PM
driekus, this is not really a point for now, but for, maybe, in a year or so. Clearly you can tell your BIOS, UEFI in the *20-models, to just power the discrete graphics card. But this will eat battery. So having the switch capability also with Lnux is important for your own laptop experience as well as for the promotion of Linux itself. No one not yet into Linux will consider it if battery life is reduced by, say, 30% or more.
I would spend some of my free time (which is rather valuable if you have kids) to make Linux on Thinkpads more attractive, such that in the end Lenovo spends some of its ressources on porting all their nice innovations to Linux. I was told that there is some group inside Lenovo already working in that direction, but when looking at the output of Lenovo, their work seems not to be very important. I tried to get into contact with them, but no success yet. I bet that opening that branch to the open source community would be very beneficial for Lenovo and also for us Linux-Thinpadders.

When i read through the announcements of the new Lenovo models, i was very disappointed that the only real advantage i get as a Linux user when going to the next models is the new platform. So nothing originating from Lenovo.
Their part was to boost the Windows experience in many ways. But i also want to have all those innovations without using Microsoft.
So my dream is getting Lenovo to deliver Thinkpads with some tuned Linux distro again. Consider having the multimedia-battery-save tweaks, or the 99 mins of kept wireless connection, or the touch surface, or the additional turbo boost, the VOIP enhancements, not to speak of the Thinkvantage tools... I could go on with this for quite a while. Just browse through their press releases and substract everything windows specific. Not much left then :-(

So i think getting Optimus to work is a good starting point for that ambitions, let's see...

best wishes
Hecke
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Re: T420S? can't wait for it? when?!

2011-03-17, 14:54 PM
driekus,

I believe this will still be possible with Lenovo's Optimus implementation. I've looked into it before, see here:
http://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Linux-Discussion/Nvidia-Optimus-on-Linux/m-p/368301
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Re: T420S? can't wait for it? when?!

2011-03-17, 20:28 PM
Here's another interesting bit of info, for those interested in the mSATA option:

Apparently there's another faster-than-the-Intel-310 SSD that will eventually become available, sooner rather than later.

The thing about this one, though, is that you don't need the mSATA-capabilities of the T420/T520 to run it- you can use it on the current-generation T410/T510 as well since it's native mPCI-E.

Here's a link:
http://thessdreview.com/latest-buzz/supertalent-about-to-unveil-worlds-fastest-mpcie-ssd/
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2011-03-18, 2:02 AM
Thanks for the info hecke, good to see a fellow linux user. :)
Im still what you would call a linux newbie. Starting to release my windows crutch finally. Your right that in a year it may start to bother me. Although I have had switchable graphics on my t500 for 2 1/2 years now and have had the discrete always on. :) Iam nearly always plugged in so dont consider battery life a major problem.

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Re: T420S? can't wait for it? when?!

2011-03-18, 22:20 PM
It's now "coming soon" links to http://shop.lenovo.com/us/products/professional-grade/thinkpad/t-series/t420s/index.html which is 404.
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Re: T420S? can't wait for it? when?!

2011-03-20, 4:32 AM

While we wait, HP has http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/13947_na/13947_na.HTML

Starting at 4.56 lb (2.07 kg) with SSD and weight saver (no optical
drive)
Pointstick

14.0-inch diagonal LED-backlit HD+ anti-glare (1600 x 900 resolution)
Upgrade Bay (optical drive, second hard drive or weight saver)
ExpressCard/54 slot One
External monitor Two - (1) DisplayPort, (1) VGA
USB 3.0 Two
USB 2.0 HP 8460P: One (charging port)
eSATA/USB 2.0 combo One
Secondary battery connector One
hard drives are customer removable

That's quite a lot of niceties, right there. Weight-wise between T420 and T420s but feature wise, unless I am badly mistaken far above both: two USB3 ports AND an eSATAp. Military-grade sturdiness. Can't even find any problems with it really. I checked the store and you can order without Windows which is a big plus in my books as well.

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Re: T420S? can't wait for it? when?!

2011-03-20, 6:27 AM
Looks pretty nice. Compared to the T420s:

Pros:
Awesome processor options, including i7 quad core.
No Microsoft tax (for those that do Linux).
Good battery options - does the 9-cell stick out the back like on the T420?
Bigger trackpad.
More USB ports, eSATA + USB 3 too.

Cons:
Weight & fatness (big time!)
No bay battery option
No mSATA or WWAN options (big grumble about mSATA!)

If I was looking at a T420, I would definitely go for the HP, but I don't think it beats the T420s where it matters to me.

Queries:
Can't find any info about the docking station - I need 2 digital outputs.
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Re: T420S? can't wait for it? when?!

2011-03-20, 7:36 AM

It definitely has a slice option. It has the battery connector and the usual 12 cell battery is compatible as far as I can see. WWAN options are plenty ( I read HSDA+ and HSDPA/EV-Do options) and mSATA is not necessary read back in the thread.

The docking station is http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/13449_na/13449_na.HTML here. The 90W has a DVI and a DisplayPort. It's a question I can't answer whether they are independent or not. The 120W has two DVI and a DisplayPort.

 

I might still end with a T420s. Decisions, decisions :) Problem:  The T420s, even with the slice, is just 6+6 cells. The T420 plain sucks feature-wise, skip that.  The biggest draw for the new EliteBook? That 12 cell slice...

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Re: T420S? can't wait for it? when?!

2011-03-20, 7:58 AM
I think the issues that prevent me from getting that are the keyboard, and the absent middle button on HP's version of the TrackPoint (which defeats the entire purpose of 'not moving your hands' that the TrackPoint was designed around).
It's also missing a ThinkLight (and that keyboard isn't backlit), and you're not swapping out that DVD drive while the computer is assembled.

It also comes down to the whole 'cool' factor as well. That's pretty close to a MacBook Pro except actually built with business in mind. (both are made of aluminum, both are shiny objects, both have crappy island-style keyboards).

It's a nice piece of technology, but I wouldn't want one over the T410/T420/T410s/T420s.

I would, however, take one over the W510/W520/T520 since it has a keypad, and it also has a better graphics option than the NVS4200M/2000FX, and it also has USB 3.0.

The 4 things I thing Lenovo should take cues from is:

1.) 3-year warranty should come standard on every machine.
2.) Better graphics solution choices (that's what Optimus is for).
3.) Please give us back our audio inputs (headphones, and ability to record from other sources both at the same time).
4.) Is it too much to ask for USB 3.0? The controller's free on QM67.

That's it, though.
I don't need a 1-panel disassembly because I can pull any component I need with a flick of a latch.
I don't want a crappy island-style keyboard or a TrackPoint that defeats its own design goals.

I want a no-nonsense, durable, notebook that shows that, when I walk into the room, that I have the machine for the job- that I mean business.

To me, that's what a ThinkPad is and what the brand represents.

If I didn't want my computer to give that I-know-what-I'm-doing-and-I'm-the-right-man-for-the-job feeling (with a bit of I-know-how-to-spend-money-intelligently-on-something-that's-going-to-last-for-its-useful-life) I'd buy a MacBook. Period.
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