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Re: T440/T540: Will the trackpad have dedicated left and right buttons?

2013-09-14, 19:15 PM

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Just to be clear to the last two posters, I'm not talking about the trackpoint - I've never really used it as I'm completely used to the touchpad (what I called trackpad in the title).  When you look at the pictures of the T440 on Lenovo's website, you can see that instead of a real physical you actually know when it's activated when you press on it physical left and right click buttons, they what looks like have instead just made - and I'm assuming this - left and right click areas on the touchpad.

 

How anyone could even begin to think, on a business notebook, that this is a good idea is simply beyond me.  No Sales or Design team within Lenovo could possibly claim to both know what their users of the T series want, and also have OK'd the touchpad buttons decision.  Or, some fool in Leadership overrode their complaints.

 

There are a gazillion notebooks out there that are far cheaper to obtain that have put flash ahead of usability, which makes this decision by Lenovo ever more bizarre.  The T series isn't supposed to be a hard to use flashy consumery notebook - it's supposed to be a T series.  Incredibly disappointing decision...

 

Chuck



We may be talking about different things (trackpad vs trackpoint) but it is still the same problem. the idea of removing all physical mouse buttons in favor of a clickpad. which I think pisses off both camps equally :smileyhappy:

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Re: T440/T540: Will the trackpad have dedicated left and right buttons?

2013-09-15, 13:28 PM

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... a larger, smooth trackpad with 5-point click integration — indicated by subtle bumps and stripes — can be configured multiple ways through Settings...

 

http://shop.lenovo.com/il/en/laptops/thinkpad/t-series/t440s/

 

 


Do we know for sure that one trackpad configuration won't be disabling its main area while keeping the button areas enabled for us trackpoint users? If not, I fail to understand why Lenovo would even keep the trackpoint at all.

T500: Vista 32, 2.8GHz, 4GB RAM, 15.4" 1680x1050, 500GB 7200rpm, ATI Radeon HD3650 + Intel 4500MHD. T42: XP, 1.7GHz, 2GB RAM, 14.1" 1024x768, 250GB PATA, ATI Radeon 7500.

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Re: T440/T540: Will the trackpad have dedicated left and right buttons?

2013-09-15, 14:10 PM
I was holding off for T540 just because it would come with Haswell, but now I'll be grabbing a T530 while they're still in stock. :(

I NEED physical trackpoint buttons. I usually lay my thumb on top of the key and press it down whenever I need to click. With a touch based button I can't rest my finger on top of the button. I kinda have to tap it whenever I click. This is a no go for me.

If the Trackpoint buttons are dead, the T530 will be my last Thinkpad ever. Oh well.
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Re: T440/T540: Will the trackpad have dedicated left and right buttons?

2013-09-15, 20:13 PM

It is still possible to lay down your finger on the TrackPoint buttons at the top of the new TrackPad. You even can turn off the TouchPad in the BIOS, while the integrated buttons remain activated.

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Re: T440/T540: Will the trackpad have dedicated left and right buttons?

2013-09-16, 0:30 AM

Is there tactile/mechanical feedback when pressing the buttons? They look like "touch buttons" to me from the pictures. Yes there is a dedicated area to where the buttons originally were, but I don't see any actual buttons.

 

By laying down my thumb, I mean resting my thumb on top of the button (I am basically touching the button). If I need to click, I simply apply some pressure without having to break contact with the button.

 

You cannot do that with touch buttons. With touch buttons you have to momentarily break contact for a new click to be registered (you have to "tap", basically).

 

 

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Re: T440/T540: Will the trackpad have dedicated left and right buttons?

2013-09-16, 5:01 AM

Yes. there is an mechanical feedback. These are not "Touch-Buttons", the hole TrackPad is one Button, which can be pressed down. See this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mh70cJUTsgw&feature=youtu.be&t=38s It is shown there how it clicks down when pressure is applied. ;)

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Re: T440/T540: Will the trackpad have dedicated left and right buttons?

2013-09-17, 18:25 PM

That still doesn't really help, in two ways:

 

1.) When using the touchpad, my thumbs aren't at the top of the touchpad, they're at the bottom.  Which ties into problem 2...

 

2.) I can't rest (or touch if they're touch sensitive, which they likely are) my thumbs/fingers on the touch area like I can dedicated buttons.

 

I can't see how this is in any way better than a touchpad with buttons at the bottom.  It's like the same people that brought us Windows 8 UI brought us this design...same "logic" used...

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Re: T440/T540: Will the trackpad have dedicated left and right buttons?

2013-10-01, 3:53 AM

What's wrong with having the whole trackpad be the button? Just press instead of finding the left click button with your thumb, and clicking it.

 

Also from what I see it looks like the T540 has a slick touchpad, not a somewhat rough touchpad, which should also be an improvement.

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Re: T440/T540: Will the trackpad have dedicated left and right buttons?

2013-10-01, 16:10 PM

Because I highly doubt it'll be as accurate as clicking a dedicated button.  That's for left click.  How about right click?

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Re: T440/T540: Will the trackpad have dedicated left and right buttons?

2013-10-02, 3:37 AM

I would imagine you tap with two fingers, like on the E541, or press the lower right edge.

 

I don't see why this looks like it doesn't even have a dvd/cd drive?? I thought T series was the best of the thinkpads? Or is that only an option?

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