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The only thing stopping me from buying a T431?

2013-05-31, 2:48 AM

I've been a software developer for many years, and have been around many T series Thinkpads in my career.  I absolutely love the machine, and have always wanted to buy one, but one very silly thing has prevented me from ever doing so:

 

THE CONTROL KEY!  :P

 

Swapping between many computers throughout the week, there is nothing more maddening than hopping onto a Thinkpad and reaching for the control key again and again (Ctrl-C, Ctrl-V all day) only to be greeted with the Function key, which is where the Control key is located on every other keyboard in the universe.

 

I know you received a bunch of feedback before redesigning the new T431, but PLEASE reconsider your keyboard layout, and once and for all fix the Control key location.  Some traditions need to die.  I seriously would buy a T431 the day they came out if the keyboard were standardized.

 

Thanks!

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2013-05-31, 11:41 AM

Hi cplehew,

do you know that you can swapp the FN-key Control-key function in the UEFI-BIOS?

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2013-05-31, 12:20 PM
That's certainly better than nothing, but it seems like a very silly hack, considering at this point (backlit keyboard) there's little justification for the odd position... means anyone else who touches my machine would be guaranteed to screw up with the trick "not really Ctrl" key.
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2013-05-31, 12:38 PM

Well: http://forums.lenovo.com/t5/T400-T500-and-newer-T-series/Why-is-the-FN-key-on-the-outside-left-instead-of-CTRL/ta-p/359099

 

"The Fn key was originally placed by the ThinkPad designers in the lower left hand corner to make the key easier to locate when using the keystroke combinations"

 

It is not only for the ThinkLight, it is also easier to do all other FN-key-combos. The placement of the FN key was this way before the ThinkLight and it is this way after the ThinkLight.

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2013-05-31, 13:54 PM

It's clear to me that a proper usability study was not done for an appropriate emphasis of the FN key. 

 

This is typical for any company making products that want to emphasise their own product's capability over real use case priority. Perhaps it's an infantile desire to stand out from the crowd by being a pain in the backside.

 

Clearly, the frequency of use and importance of the Ctrl key in a windows environment vastly exceeds that of the FN key for the majority of users (as this is almost a universal complaint), and the importance of the FN key is vastly over inflated by internal politics.

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2013-05-31, 14:19 PM

Exactly what I was thinking, Lemur...  the number of times per day I'd even want to touch the Fn key compared to the Ctrl key isn't even close.

 

If grasping for the light in the dark is no longer a justification, then it really does seem like a no brainer.  For every user who'd lament the Fn key moving, I'd have to imagine there are 100 more who'd breathe a sigh of relief at having a standard keyboard.

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2013-05-31, 17:42 PM

The keyboard was and is the very first thing I look at in any notebook.

I look for placement and size of the:

- Left & Right Shift keys

- Enter key

- Cursor key

- Ctrl & ALT

 

PrtSc & DEL need to be easy to find but for those you use all their fingers to type the location is Critical as is the size. You need to be able to hit them with your fingers with normal effort and reach. Some OEM move them and have an UP arrow where the right shift should be. Why? Try typing and getting an up arrow line change everytime you use it. LOL

About 4-5 years ago I bought a 17" Toshiba and suffered about 3 days. Both me and my wife were affected and enough was enough. Back it went and I got a 17" Pavilion which had all the keys as if it were a type writer keyboard with the PC related keys places elsewhere. For others you'd have to have mutation of your fingers or an operation to use them.

 

Everyone should have their screening list and go through it until they find the configuration the works for them. I start with the keyboard, then the screen size and readability. ThinkPads used to have the best in the industry and I have seen enough when I worked with them. But they were of the IBM breed not Lenovo. Clearly that has changed.

If you cannot type properly and work with the installed keyboard and/or be comfortable with the screen then move on to something else. Those two components are your interface and it does not matter one bit what is under the hood drive the notebook. Its useless to you if you can read or input into the computer. Totally useless and getting used to it is not how they need to be. We don't conform to it. It must conform to us!!

 

Fortunately this T520 keyboard is as good as can be put in this form factor. Although I had looked for 17" I am managing with the wide screen which is suitable for most uses other than photo editing or tweaking due to the colours cannot be determined as it changes radically at various angles. I'd have to use an external screen for sure.

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2013-06-02, 6:51 AM

wrote:

Exactly what I was thinking, Lemur...  the number of times per day I'd even want to touch the Fn key compared to the Ctrl key isn't even close.

 

If grasping for the light in the dark is no longer a justification, then it really does seem like a no brainer.  For every user who'd lament the Fn key moving, I'd have to imagine there are 100 more who'd breathe a sigh of relief at having a standard keyboard.


+1

 

Despite they can be swapped using BIOS but it still can fool the uninitiated (I feel sorry for them) and I feel it's just not right to have key label that doesn't match its function.

 

It's time for revolution, lenovo. The physical button of FN and CTRL must be swapped now as people today are more using CTRL than FN.

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2013-06-05, 23:15 PM

I like my Fn key right where it is! I can't get used to other machines, or using one without a TrackPoint. I think Apple used to put the Fn key in the same position, but I don't know if they still do. 

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2013-06-06, 6:29 AM
or lenovo can make FN and CTRL button same size so we can swap them physically.
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