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Re: Thinkpad T520 vs T530 keyboard

2012-07-07, 3:52 AM

I haven't tried the two that you mention.  I do have a ThinkPad X120e, which was an early Lenovo chiclet keyboard with 6 rows but at least the delete key was the 3rd key in from the right which put it in the same spot.  Also the trackpoint sticks up on that one.   When not looking at the keyboard on the X120e, I thought it felt the same as say a T60 keyboard, maybe a little more solid than the T530's new version.

 

I've always loved ThinkPad keyboards and I was psyched that the T510 keyboard was so great.  This T530 chiclet thing has been a bit of a letdown... although I have to say not really because of the "chiclet" style, it's more because of the other changes they made, like eliminating the 7th row, moving the keys around, etc.   The T530 is a little more mushy than any ThinkPad recently, but as I said, that also results in it being super quiet to type on.

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Re: Thinkpad T520 vs T530 keyboard

2012-07-07, 11:00 AM

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3) The TrackPoint is set down further in the keys, feels weird.

 

The last one needs expalining  - on the new keyboard, the trackpoint is set down about 1/16 of an inch further in to the keyboard.  the top of it is now flush with the top of the keys.  It used to stick up above them somewhat.  They cut out the G/B/H keys so that you can access it, but still, it's weird.

 



I actually like that since this will be the first of an endless line of Thinkpads in my office that will not end up having a permanent trackpoint imprint in the middle of the screen :-) 

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Re: Thinkpad T520 vs T530 keyboard

2012-07-07, 15:32 PM

I'm getting my T530 this monday. My first lenovo laptop. Hopefully the keyboard won't be that bad! lol

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07-09-2012

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Re: Thinkpad T520 vs T530 keyboard

2012-07-09, 7:22 AM

I have used an X61s, a T410s, an Edge E220s, a X230i Tablet, and a T430s.  The keyboard layout change does not bother me that much except for loss of the back and forward keys (but you can use alt left arrow and alt right arrow instead usually).  

 

I am a touch typist and I type a lot, probably over a thousand pages a year, and I absolutely love the X61s and the T410s keyboards, so much so that I still use those laptops.  I have not tried the Lenovo G570 that you mentioned, but the Edge E220s has the same keyboard layout as the X230i and the T430s, but the Edge keyboards are not the same as the regular ThinkPad keyboards.  It is hard to describe, but the feel is not as crisp.  The new keyboards ThinkPad keyboards feel like they have exceptional build quality.  I imagine that the Lenovo G570, like the Edge E220s, has a lower quality and/or spongier keyboard.  

 

I tried several of those Internet typing speed tests using T410s keyboard versus the T430s keyboard and type about 90 words per minute on both, but my fingers and wrists get less tired typing on the T430s keyboard.  You can type with a much lighter touch, so potentially you can type faster after you get used to the new keyboard.  

 

I am still resisting switching to the new ThinkPads more because I like screens with more height.  The new ThinkPads all have screens that are too wide and short, imho.  But that is a discussion for another thread. 

 

I hope this helps!

 

 

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Re: Thinkpad T520 vs T530 keyboard

2012-07-09, 23:58 PM

So... my previous commentary discussing the new arrangement of this keyboard notwithstanding.... I now have a big problem with my T530's keyboard!  The R key just fell off!

 

Lenovo support is telling me that they are backordered.  What do I do now!?

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07-25-2012

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Re: Thinkpad T520 vs T530 keyboard

2012-07-26, 6:51 AM

I have both a T520 and a T530 and both keyboards are awesome and impressive. Anyway, if I had to choose one of them I would take the T530 one. The feeling and comfort in the T530 are a little bit better and, at least for me, the arrangement is simpler and more logical. I never use most of the blue alt functions of the T520, and the only ones I use are still present in the T530. For example, the page down and page up buttons are close to the arrows in the T530, what for me is a better location. On the other hand, the red pointing stick and touch pad are as good as the one in the T520. Also, the fact of beign backlighted is a very nice plus.

I guess many of the negative raves are from people that have not tried the T530, because this is an excellent and well designed keyboard.

Greetings.


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06-24-2012

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Re: Thinkpad T520 vs T530 keyboard

2012-07-26, 13:42 PM

As a new user, I really like the new keyboard. I've tried the old one in a shop, and I didn't think it was better. The old one felt less crisp for example.

 

There are a few things I think could be improved on the new keyboard:

 

  • the tactile bumps on the F and K keys are very shallow. I used to slide around the keyboard a lot looking for them, until I took a knife and cut under the bumps to raise them a little. Did the same for the right control key, which is hard to feel for otherwise.
  • the Home and End keys are so far away and "camouflaged" among other keys of the same shape/position that they are almost useless for touch typing.
  • The PrtSc position is, frankly, a disaster. In Gnome I used to have the screen flash white and a loud camera shutter sound happen every time I missed the Ctrl button. It freaked me out. Went to a lot of trouble to remap the button to the standard Context Menu key, which I actually use in file browsers.

Things I like:

  • The keys are rigid and "solid". They don't slide around horizontally. You can also rest your fingers a little bit on them, without fear of inadvertent presses.
  • The position of PgUp PgDn is great. The fact that the arrow and Pg* group is right under the shift key is also great, I use those together a lot when scrolling through terminal windows.
  • Backlighting is great. I didn't think I'd actually need it, but it came in handy a few times already.
  • Volume keys are useful.
  • The markings on the keys are a very bright white.

Things I wish for:

  • Dedicated screen brightness control keys, like for volume. When it's dark and the screen is blinding you, it's nice not to have to squint around for F8 and F9, or have to turn on backlighting.
  • A dedicated TrackWheel for scrolling? :) Middle-button-and nub combination works great to emulate it, but a little wheel would be even better. Could replace the middle button with a cylinder. Or could place it at the far end of CapsLock, within reach of a pinkie. I know, it's playing with blasphemy to suggest such an addition, but I'm sure the Trackpoint was pretty cheeky in its day as well.
  • Tactile bumps on more keys, or even special texturing. The Ctrl and the Up Arrow keys especially. The right Shift, Enter and \ key can sometimes be easy to confuse. Same for the left Tab, Caps and Shift.
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T530 keyboard - different models - very different quality.

2012-07-27, 0:34 AM

So I've just received my replacement keyboard for my T530.  I posted earlier in this thread how the "R" key fell off.  I'm pleased to say - the replacement keyboard is FAR SUPERIOR to the old one.  As I'm sure you know, Lenovo has a few different keyboard manufacturers - and the keyboard I had before was absolutely of an inferior quality to this keybard.

 

I can honestly say that the replacement keyboard is back to the "expert" ThinkPad keyboard quality that we all expect - at least in terms of keyboard performance.  I'm still not happy about the key layout (home/end/del/esc), but the keys themselves are performing at ThinkPad quality!

 

New FRU for keyboard that is great:  04W3063

Old FRU of keyboard that was lousy:  04W3137

 

It's also easy to tell which one you have - remove the trackpoint cap:

04W3063 = yellow under trackpoint

04W3137 = blue under trackpoint

 

Everything about this new one is better, key feel, response - even the lettering is thicker and the black paint isn't "bubbly".  I took some photos that show this which I will post in a follow-up.

 

So... Lenovo.... good work on 04W3063... please get rid of 04W3137, it's awful.

 

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06-18-2012

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Re: T530 keyboard - different models - very different quality.

2012-07-27, 4:07 AM

Did you have to send your old key board in first?

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Re: T530 keyboard - different models - very different quality.

2012-07-27, 4:51 AM
Yeah, brillat, what was the process in getting your new keyboard? I'm still waiting and waiting to receive my T530 (stuck in customs for 7 days now, see shipping thread), and it pains me to think of sending the thing back.
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