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01-11-2010

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Re: Toshiba SSD TRIM Firmware upgrade?

2010-01-12, 8:38 AM

Anything new regarding this?

 

I recently purchased a T400s with a Toshiba 128 GB SSD drive. (THNS128GG4BAAA-N).

 

Called lenovo support, but they couldnt confirm wether the drive supports TRIM og not.

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01-13-2010

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Re: Toshiba SSD TRIM Firmware upgrade?

2010-01-13, 9:43 AM

Hi,

 

this is really annoying, but I can say, that the "TOSHIBA THNS256GG8BAAA-FDE", Firmware "AGL10203" (256 GB) has definitely no TRIM support. You can check this easily with the "Intel SSD Toolbox": Click on the drive and then "View Drive Information" (this and SMART are the only working options for non-Intel drives). In the large table you get all ATA properties of the disk, scroll down to word 169 (Data Set Management Support) and bit 0 shows, if trim support is enabled. "Data Set Mangement Support" is the internal name of TRIM in the ATA specification.

 

The second problem with this drive is that Toshiba does not provide a manual wiper tool at all and all Toshiba Drives seem to have a completely home-brew adapter/firmware.

 

Toshiba does not supply firmware updates for any of their SSDs at the moment and also no wiper tool. That's annoying. For the same price other customers got Samsung drives which have very good support.

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11-28-2009

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Re: Toshiba SSD TRIM Firmware upgrade?

2010-01-13, 11:27 AM

So I've downloaded the toolbox and I've checked Word 169. It says bit 0 - Data set Management supported hex value = 0. What does this mean?

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Re: Toshiba SSD TRIM Firmware upgrade?

2010-01-13, 13:57 PM

if there would be an 1 instead of 0, TRIM would be possible. 0 means simply that this drive does not support TRIM.

 

This is the official text from: http://www.t13.org/Documents/Uploade...After_Trim.pdf:

If word 169 bit 0 is set to one and word 69 bit 14 is set to zero, the Trim function of the DATA SET
MANAGEMENT command (see x.x) supports indeterminate behavior (see x.y). If word 169 bit 0 is set to one
and word 69 bit 14 is set to one, the TRIM function of the DATA SET MANAGEMENT command supports
determinate behavior (see x.y). If word 169 bit 0 is cleared to zero, then word 69 bit 14 is reserved.
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12-12-2009

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Re: Toshiba SSD TRIM Firmware upgrade?

2010-01-25, 17:18 PM

Thanks thetaphi for looking into this.

 

I really think that this is ridiculuos... Laptops of the same model, same price but then partly lacking such a desired feature. Would you pay the same for a T400s if it had a lower display resolution, or only 40 instead of 44Wh battery life..?

 

How many posts in here are actually required to make Lenovo look into this??

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01-13-2010

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Re: Toshiba SSD TRIM Firmware upgrade?

2010-01-25, 18:15 PM

Hi, I have some updates:

When reading the specs about trim again, it seems, that also word 119, bit 0 has something to do with TRIM, but this is an older standard. And this bit is set to 1 for our TOSHIBA disc.  In my opinion this is an error in the document (6 replaced by 1), because this bit is described as "Disable Data Transfer After Error Detection".

 

Interestingly, the linux kernel source code and hdparm only check for byte 169, bit 0 in general to detect TRIM and then word 69 for more information about deterministic behaviour. Now its important, whats Windows does... There is no documentation about how Windows 7 detects TRIM support (wrong word 119, bit 0 or 169, bit 0).

 

I will boot with a recent linux distrib and will run hdparm on the device to print the features and the interpretation of linux's hdparm.

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Re: Toshiba SSD TRIM Firmware upgrade?

2010-01-25, 19:27 PM

Here are the results from a run of hdparm 9.27 from a Linux CD-ROM:

 

/dev/sda:

ATA device, with non-removable media
	Model Number:       TOSHIBA THNS256GG8BAAA-FDE              
	Serial Number:      Y9PS104GT0OZ
	Firmware Revision:  AGL10203
	Transport:          Serial, ATA8-AST, SATA 1.0a, SATA II Extensions, SATA Rev 2.5, SATA Rev 2.6
Standards:
	Supported: 8 7 6 5 
	Likely used: 8
Configuration:
	Logical		max	current
	cylinders	16383	16383
	heads		16	16
	sectors/track	63	63
	--
	CHS current addressable sectors:   16514064
	LBA    user addressable sectors:  268435455
	LBA48  user addressable sectors:  500118192
	Logical  Sector size:                   512 bytes
	Physical Sector size:                   512 bytes
	Logical Sector-0 offset:                  0 bytes
	device size with M = 1024*1024:      244198 MBytes
	device size with M = 1000*1000:      256060 MBytes (256 GB)
	cache/buffer size  = unknown
	Form Factor: 1.8 inch
	Nominal Media Rotation Rate: Solid State Device
Capabilities:
	LBA, IORDY(can be disabled)
	Standby timer values: spec'd by Standard, no device specific minimum
	R/W multiple sector transfer: Max = 16	Current = 16
	Advanced power management level: disabled
	DMA: mdma0 mdma1 mdma2 udma0 udma1 udma2 udma3 udma4 *udma5 
	     Cycle time: min=120ns recommended=120ns
	PIO: pio0 pio1 pio2 pio3 pio4 
	     Cycle time: no flow control=120ns  IORDY flow control=120ns
Commands/features:
	Enabled	Supported:
	   *	SMART feature set
	    	Security Mode feature set
	   *	Power Management feature set
	   *	Write cache
	   *	Look-ahead
	   *	Host Protected Area feature set
	   *	WRITE_BUFFER command
	   *	READ_BUFFER command
	   *	DOWNLOAD_MICROCODE
	    	Advanced Power Management feature set
	    	SET_MAX security extension
	   *	48-bit Address feature set
	   *	Device Configuration Overlay feature set
	   *	Mandatory FLUSH_CACHE
	   *	FLUSH_CACHE_EXT
	   *	SMART error logging
	   *	SMART self-test
	   *	General Purpose Logging feature set
	   *	WRITE_{DMA|MULTIPLE}_FUA_EXT
	   *	IDLE_IMMEDIATE with UNLOAD
	   *	Disable Data Transfer After Error Detection
	   *	WRITE_UNCORRECTABLE_EXT command
	   *	Segmented DOWNLOAD_MICROCODE
	   *	Gen1 signaling speed (1.5Gb/s)
	   *	Gen2 signaling speed (3.0Gb/s)
	   *	Host-initiated interface power management
	   *	Phy event counters
	    	Device-initiated interface power management
	   *	Software settings preservation
Security: 
	Master password revision code = 65534
		supported
	not	enabled
	not	locked
		frozen
	not	expired: security count
		supported: enhanced erase
	2min for SECURITY ERASE UNIT. 2min for ENHANCED SECURITY ERASE UNIT.
Checksum: correct

 

If this drive would support TRIM, before security after the Commands/Features a listing of TRIM features would be presented.

 

To find out how the output should be formatted and how hdparm detects TRIM can be found in the source code: http://www.sfr-fresh.com/linux/misc/hdparm-9.27.tar.gz:a/hdparm-9.27/identify.c

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07-08-2010

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Re: Toshiba SSD TRIM Firmware upgrade?

2010-07-08, 22:04 PM

Anybody find any firmware updates?

this drive also comes in macbooks and

is sold under the kingston ssdnow v+ name, toshiba hg2

and supertalent ultradrive dx.

 

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06-16-2010

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Re: Toshiba SSD TRIM Firmware upgrade?

2010-07-14, 7:48 AM

Dear Lenovo Team,

 

this issue is not funny. We are your customers paying a whole bunch of money for your high-quality T4XXs series and you are just leaving us out in the rain with this ridiculous firmware. It is definitely your duty as a customer oriented enterprise to organise (together with Toshiba and Samsung and whomever) the development of an appropriate SSD firmware software supporting those things, that already evolved, when your laptops were already on the market: especially TRIM!

 

Please take us seriously, otherwise you will face an immense loss of (at least) those customers, who used to be satisfied with IBM service.

 

cheers

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08-11-2010

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Re: Toshiba SSD TRIM Firmware upgrade?

2010-08-11, 13:00 PM

I completely agree, Lenovo should ask Toshiba to release some firmware update. Btw, some months ago I wrote twice to the Toshiba support in order to know if there's any firmware update enabling TRIM and if they're planning to release one in the future. Still waiting for the answer...

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