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Re: Trackpoint in Linux; mSATA and SATA in T460 T460s

2016-04-04, 8:28 AM
I am currently in the process of verifying if the following mSata drive works in the WWAN port:

- Samsung 850 EVO 500 GB mSATA 2-Inch SSD (MZ-M5E500BW)

 

Will post back once I get it in my hands and I am able to confirm this.

I am also in the process of benchmarking these drives and preliminary real life usage tests show a 3-5% performance difference between the Samsung 950 PRO PCIe NVMe and the Samsung 850 EVO SATA6.

My advice go with the cheapest one, possibly an mSata if my findings are succesful next Wednesday...


 

Hello, did you have a chance to test mSata in the WWAN port? Curious to know the results

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Re: Trackpoint in Linux; mSATA and SATA in T460 T460s

2016-04-04, 14:38 PM

Thanks Bink.  In other words, the Samsung 950 Pro SSD should work by replacing the factory factory installed Samsung 951 correct? Given that 950 Pro is a PCI NVMe, all 4 lanes should also work correct? Is that what you are seeing? Are you getting the Samsung posted speeds of 32GBP/s? 

 

Folks, given that 460s has only one M.2 slot  - migrating the OS is a challenge to a newer and larger M.2 SSD is a challenge.  Any ideas?  Are you downloading Windows 10 fresh and installing it? If so, then I see that most drivers do come with Lenovo Companion but I am unable to find Dolby X2 software etc.  What are you doing?

 

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Re: Trackpoint in Linux; mSATA and SATA in T460 T460s

2016-04-04, 14:41 PM

Thanks 

So folks in theory you could put M.2 SSD up to 512 GB (highgest that is currently available on the market) in M.2 slot and mSATA SSD in WWAN slot (1 TB available currently in the market see Samsung 850 Evo) -  making a theoritical maximum storage of 1.5 TB on T460s.  

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Re: Trackpoint in Linux; mSATA and SATA in T460 T460s

2016-04-04, 15:00 PM
How do I go about getting a spare screw for the m.2 slot where the WAN card is suppose to go?
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Re: Trackpoint in Linux; mSATA and SATA in T460 T460s

2016-04-04, 15:30 PM

Hi all,

 

Here's an article about the new T series machines that includes available storage options.  Be sure to notice the m.2 "none" in the T460 write-up.

 

https://www.thinkscopes.com/2016/01/03/closer-look-at-2016-t-series-t460-t460s-t460p-t560/

 

And please remove "mSATA" from the conversation.  There are no mSATA slots in any of the contemporary ThinkPads.

 

Also note that the T460 HMM talks about an m.2 slot for WWAN or SSD.  This is apparently not correct.  An SSD will not be detected in that slot per the article above.

 

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Re: Trackpoint in Linux; mSATA and SATA in T460 T460s

2016-04-04, 15:50 PM
You cannot put an mSATA SSD in a WWAN slot? Thats how I did in my T520.
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Re: Trackpoint in Linux; mSATA and SATA in T460 T460s

2016-04-04, 15:56 PM

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You cannot put an mSATA SSD in a WWAN slot? Thats how I did in my T520.

You can do that with a '20-series ThinkPad.  I did the same with a T420.

 

Newer ThinkPads use m.2 slots.  m.2 is NOT mSATA although it supports similar functions.

 

My concern is that someone reading this will purchase an mSATA card for one of these machines and be disappointed.

 

m.2 on the left, mSATA on the right in the picture below.

 

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Re: Trackpoint in Linux; mSATA and SATA in T460 T460s

2016-04-04, 16:03 PM
thanks. you are saying that the disks on the left hand side fit the T460s. are those two disks on the left picture called M.2? Or are there different names for the shorter one and the longer one? I thought the shorter one is called mSATA. I see a WWAN slot and the a M.2 slot on my 460s. Can I use both slots for plugging in SSDs? I just bought a 950 Pro M.2 to replace the factory installed 951 Samsung. That part is clear. I am not sure what goes in WWAN slot if I choose not to install a WWAN card for WiMax. Also, the left picture with long disk has different types of keys that the M key type found on 460s and 950 Pro. Correct me if I am wrong.
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Re: Trackpoint in Linux; mSATA and SATA in T460 T460s

2016-04-04, 16:53 PM

I wish this thread could be locked now, it has become too polluted.

Since I started it, let me wrap up. Most people are aware of it now, but for Google's benefit.

  • The T460 does not have any mSATA slot.
  • The T460s does not have any mSATA slot.
  • The T460 has an M.2 slot (2242 size) meant for a WWAN. But this cannot be used for an SSD, no matter what crap Lenovo documentation says.

This forum wasn't much help; I had to first buy a T460 and learn the hard way that M.2 is no good and 500GB SSD is the best I can get, in a market where 2TB SSDs are now common. Seems pathetic to own a laptop with 32GB RAM and only 500GB disk. But it is entirely possible even standard 2.5 inch SSDs will show various incompatibiliites so I am not about to gamble upward of 600 USD to get a 2 TB SSD.

0 person found this solution to be helpful.

This helped me too

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Re: Trackpoint in Linux; mSATA and SATA in T460 T460s

2016-04-04, 16:53 PM

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thanks. you are saying that the disks on the left hand side fit the T460s. are those two disks on the left picture called M.2? Or are there different names for the shorter one and the longer one? I thought the shorter one is called mSATA. I see a WWAN slot and the a M.2 slot on my 460s. Can I use both slots for plugging in SSDs? I just bought a 950 Pro M.2 to replace the factory installed 951 Samsung. That part is clear. I am not sure what goes in WWAN slot if I choose not to install a WWAN card for WiMax. Also, the left picture with long disk has different types of keys that the M key type found on 460s and 950 Pro. Correct me if I am wrong.

The two on the left are both m.2.  m.2 drives come in different lengths - which must match the slot length in the target laptop.  Typically  if the m.2 drive is the main drive it will be 2280 - 80mm long.  If the m.2 slot is intended for a cache drive or allows either WWAN or SSD it is 2242 - 42mm long.  Typically - please confirm for you specific machine.  A cache drive slot can normally be used for a main drive if the physical size is compatible.  2242 does tend to limit the maximum capacity.

 

I don't have personal experience with the '60 series ThinkPads.  That article I linked indicates that the WWAN slot does not support an SSD for some models.  I can't directly answer your question.

 

There are other threads here on the forum that discuss user experience with SSDs in these machines.

 

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