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SSD or Hybrid upgrade to my T510

2012-10-02, 7:22 AM

Hi, all,

 

I am considering upgrade my harddrive for my 2 year old T510 since my original 300 GB drive is filling up

 

I am considering getting an ssd or a Seagate hybrid drive, but I am not sure.

 

I want faster boot time and better performance. Right now it takes more than a minute to boot the system and sometimes seconds to load a large multimedia website. However I also need big storage since I need a windows and linux dual system and kinda store few movies and lot of music in the laptop. Since I don't want to replace my DVD with a second hdd, I am hesitating between the ssd and hybrid drive.

 

Just wondering if any of you have tried the hybrid drive on Thinkpad. How does it perform? And is anybody trying it with a dual system? I am kinda worried the dual booting will mess up with the limited 6GB ssd part of the hybrid drive, since it is so limited space for two systems and the management becomes much more complicated with two totally different file system.

 

Also if I'd like to go with an ssd, any recommendations? I looked at Samsung 830, Intel 520 and Crucial m4, all are good but the problems they are all SATA III while my T510 only support SATA II. Kinda of waste. But all SATA II ssd just seems out of date and with older technology.

 

Thank you guys so much!

 

 

 

 

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Re: SSD or Hybrid upgrade to my T510

2012-10-02, 7:36 AM

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Hi, all,

 

I am considering upgrade my harddrive for my 2 year old T510 since my original 300 GB drive is filling up

 

I am considering getting an ssd or a Seagate hybrid drive, but I am not sure.

 

I want faster boot time and better performance. Right now it takes more than a minute to boot the system and sometimes seconds to load a large multimedia website. However I also need big storage since I need a windows and linux dual system and kinda store few movies and lot of music in the laptop. Since I don't want to replace my DVD with a second hdd, I am hesitating between the ssd and hybrid drive.

 

Just wondering if any of you have tried the hybrid drive on Thinkpad. How does it perform? And is anybody trying it with a dual system? I am kinda worried the dual booting will mess up with the limited 6GB ssd part of the hybrid drive, since it is so limited space for two systems and the management becomes much more complicated with two totally different file system.

 

Also if I'd like to go with an ssd, any recommendations? I looked at Samsung 830, Intel 520 and Crucial m4, all are good but the problems they are all SATA III while my T510 only support SATA II. Kinda of waste. But all SATA II ssd just seems out of date and with older technology.

 

Thank you guys so much!

 


I've a 2 years old T410-i7 too & am also considering upgrading my main HDD with a SSD.

As you've already pointed out, the SATA controller in the T410/510 is SATAII generation so we'd not benefit fully from the current batch of SATAIII capable SSD drives in the market but newer SSD presumably have improved controllers & are generally backward compatible with SATAII controllers.

If you want capacity & performance without sacrificing the optical drive, you'd have to fork out a lot for a huge capacity SSD. Having said that, I'm also willing to trade my DVD-RW drive for my current 500Gb HDD so I do not need a really huge SSD as my system drive. I can encase the DVD-RW drive in a slim external USB casing or just keep it hot swappable.

Concerning boot times, I've been able to clock less than 1 min boot time with my 500Gb 7200 rpm HDD. The trick is to minimize startup apps & regular defragmentation. I assume you are familiar with these tips & are employing them.

And regarding dual booting Linux, if you go with the 2nd Ultrabay HDD option, you can still install your Linux in the main drive with other partitions in the 2nd HDD. I'm not sure how often you need to boot in Linux so it is my assumption that your Linux is your secondary OS.

 

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Re: SSD or Hybrid upgrade to my T510

2012-10-02, 13:55 PM

I have upgraded my T510 a few times, and went from the factory HDD to a WD Scorpio Black (320GB).  Definitely improved performance.  Next, I replaced the WD Black with a Seagate Momentus XT, 320GB.  Another boost in performance.  Boot and OS load times just under a minute.

 

Last month, I replaced the Momentus XT with a Samsung 830 SSD 256GB.  That has really worked out, and boot/load time is now about 26 seconds.

 

One thing concerns me, however, and that is your comment about filling up the OS drive.  That alone will drop your performance, especially with a spindle drive.   My rule is never fill a drive to more than about 60% of capacity.  I keep my OS drive fairly lean and mean.  All data storage goes to a separate Momentus XT 500GB in the Ultrabay adapter.

 

As for SATA II with SATA III drives - the only way you'll see any significant difference is in a benchtest.  My T510 is a definite winner, and I'm not in any hurry to replace it.

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Re: SSD or Hybrid upgrade to my T510

2012-10-03, 3:36 AM
Thank you for your message and tips. You got to a very good point about the improved controller on the newer version of ssd and a hot swappable DVD-RW option for installing a secondary hard drive. Would you explain more about the hot swappable option? I know the DVD drive does it, but do you need to purchase something like an ultra-bay adapter for the hdd?
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Re: SSD or Hybrid upgrade to my T510

2012-10-03, 3:39 AM
Thank you for your reply and suggestion. May I ask how well the Momentus XT perform on your T510? Will it be as fast as an ssd regarding the boot time? And is it only fast on running some pre-selected program?
Do you need to purchase another component from Lenovo if you want to use your hard drive in the ultra bay?
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Re: SSD or Hybrid upgrade to my T510

2012-10-03, 4:46 AM

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Thank you for your message and tips. You got to a very good point about the improved controller on the newer version of ssd and a hot swappable DVD-RW option for installing a secondary hard drive. Would you explain more about the hot swappable option? I know the DVD drive does it, but do you need to purchase something like an ultra-bay adapter for the hdd?

Yes...you would need the ThinkPad Serial ATA Hard Drive Bay Adapter III.

The part number is 43N3412 detailed here. More information about the adapter here (PS: picture shows an IDE connector which is wrong. Someone should update that picture).

The Bay Adapter is hot swappable in that you can Safely Remove the Hardware anytime & eject the adapter from your T510 using the physical eject button below the chasis. I like the eject button layout better on the earlier T series.

 

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Re: SSD or Hybrid upgrade to my T510

2012-10-03, 15:51 PM

Link to image

 

This is the standard UB III Adapter.  It will take either a bare drive or one mounted in the Lenovo caddy minus the rubber rails.  It is shoved in so that the SATA connectors are mated tightly, and then the tailgate flips down to secure it.

 

This is the 9.5mm adapter.  It will leave a slight gap when replacing the optical drive.  This can be cured by using the 12.7mm version, however, then the drive must be mounted bare and secured with 4 screws in the the back of the drive through the bottom adapter plate.

 

This cures the gap problem, but you lose the quick change in that it takes time to deal with the 4 screws.

 

I have both - I use the 9.5mm adapter for quick change operations such as drive cloning, etc.  For "permanent" use, I have my 500GB Momentus XT mounted with the 4 screws.

 

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Re: SSD or Hybrid upgrade to my T510

2012-10-03, 15:57 PM

Additionally, I accept the fact that the Ultrabay Adapter and drive are hot swappable, but I consider that impractical.  That is because to remove the UB adapter, you must flip the laptop over and use two hands to work the release latch and eject slider.  This means disconnecting all cables.  It is physically possible to do this by lifting up one side of the Thinkpad, and working the two release buttons by fee.  I don't find that very comfortable or easy. :)

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Re: SSD or Hybrid upgrade to my T510

2012-10-16, 4:50 AM
Thank you!
Sorry for the late reply.

I finally get the crucial m4 + ultra-bay setting and waits to install them.

I will update how they work after I used them for a while and if I could still remember to come here :)

Again thanks for your help and advice!
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Re: SSD or Hybrid upgrade to my T510

2012-10-16, 4:50 AM
Thank you for your awesome image!

I finally get the crucial M4 + ultra-bay setting and waits to install them.

I will update how they work after I used them for a while and if I could still remember to come here :)

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Re: SSD or Hybrid upgrade to my T510

2012-10-16, 4:56 AM

Just a side note. I got M4 about 2 weeks ago on 175 from Amazon marketplace, the lowest price I could find at that time. The drive arrived this weekend and the packaging , um ,kinda disappointing. A very simple box without any instruction, even no single flyer. very very factory fashion. But I am sure it's genuine and should work fine. I'll find out soon.

 

So if anyone else would want a ssd I recommend samgung and Intel, at least they have better packaging, which seems more responsible to me. And there is a discount on Amazon now, which lower both the crucial m4 and samsung 830 256 GB version to 159. 830 is already out of stock by now and crucial didn't . A clear customer reputation. Intel didn't participate.

 

Is it true that whenever you partition a ssd the drive will get erased completely?? I want to install windows first and then partition in the OS and install linux. Seems like I need to arrange ahead of time and partition before installing system.

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Re: SSD or Hybrid upgrade to my T510

2012-10-21, 22:35 PM

Installed my ssd and ultrabay.

 

ssd is actually faster but for cruail m4 a firmware update is needed otherwise wake from sleep mode will not work.

 

Up to now 256 GB is enough for a win 7 + ubuntu 12.10, with more than 100 GB left on the windows partition.

 

Boot time in windows around 25 s and faster in linux.

 

The ultray III does not fit in my T510 perfectly, a gap remained on top. But it works fine. And it's the only option from lenovo.

 

Feel like the battery time is stretched.

 

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Re: SSD or Hybrid upgrade to my T510

2012-10-21, 23:25 PM

UB3gap.jpgUB3big.jpg

 

There are two images above.  The first is the standard 9mm Ultrabay III adapter, and you are correct - there is a small gap when it is seated.

 

This is corrected by using the 12.7mm version which is shown in the second image. 

 

I have both adapters.  The 12.7mm version mounts the drive differently.  It is fastened by the 4 mounting screws directly into thre back.  It is therefore not a quick change item.

 

So, I keep "gappy" around for quickie operations such as cloning or cop'ying.

 

 

 

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Re: SSD or Hybrid upgrade to my T510

2012-10-26, 7:00 AM

I see. Is the 12.7 mm version a newer one than the standard one?

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