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tripplec
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Speakers are very poor quality. Why?

Now after hurtles in getting my ThinkPad working computer wise of which I sent it off twice with it away for almost 4 weeks. I have reinstalled a lot of the software (reimaged HD while in service). I decided to install ITunes and put some music onto it. I've played around with the controls in Control Panel and Smart Audio App there as well. I can tweak be better than stock sound be at the end of it all the speakers used inside are crap despite the large real estate they appear to take up looking at the grill sizes.

 

I seen and used dozens of notebooks and I've been amazed and the quality of sound coming from many with the small speaker used over the years. I can certainly say these are not better than what I'd find in a Radio Shack walkie talking decades ago. Mid Range to high is all you can get sounding normal and any sound even approach bass or whatever (I can't hear what the sounds are suppose to be so I am guessing) are a garbled rattling sound. The volume for music is very poor as well.

 

Someone might post this is a business machine. That's a crock and cop out. There is no excuse for putting junky speakers in a top flight notebook. Knowone can stand up and say the business class machine doesn't need great sound any more than needing a quality conference camera. The technology is there and has been for a decade so way in gods name do they decide to put these in. The certainly could not have paid for them they're so bad I can find much better clip on the ear mylar in the dollar store. I'd try to swap them but the accessing of them may be more than my tear down risk is willing to go and what will fit & plug in is another issue in going down that road.

 

Just thinking of it even my cell phone speaker is much better in playing music and I;ve used it many times without rattle distortion and even hear some bass. I am sure they much smaller so this is absurd. I am shaking my head (do you see me shaking it) hmm. I'd like to hear what others are experiencing.

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Re: Speakers are very poor quality. Why?

have you tried PeterTWJ's dolby speaker tweak?
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tripplec
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Re: Speakers are very poor quality. Why?

No I've not. If its software I doubt it can help. The product is beyond the scope of driving it any more at sub mid range at any level thats necessary.

 

I'll search for it and see what thats all about anyway.

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Re: Speakers are very poor quality. Why?

just try it before dismissing it. It did wonder to my W520.

Why do you think Bose speakers can produce the sound quality from their smallish speakers? These are based on psychoacoustic characteristics. The softwares in these instances can do a lot to the perceived sound quality, as they provide a psychoacoustic sound profile to the sound output from the speakers.

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tripplec
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Re: Speakers are very poor quality. Why?

I am using the newer driver as I seen in some posts by PeterTWJ, 8.32.23.2 but there is some issues with the Smart Audio tool. I have the 3D setting on as it gives the best sound all be it still pretty lame quality. There is a lot on the W520 on sound & mic issues but as for a fix. Nothing yet that I've come across. Loads of hits on his ID and dolby. I'll look again later for some tweak.
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Re: Speakers are very poor quality. Why?

I've used them for playing Battlefield, and I found them to be not bad at all. Bass is missing, sure, but voices and everything else ingame is clear and crisp. Never really use them for music, though.

That said, my left speaker will rattle on certain frequencies, likely due to the high temperatures of the nearby components.

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Message 7 of 18

Re: Speakers are very poor quality. Why?

Business machines do not need top quality audio, you do not blast music in a corporate environment. Now when it comes to video conferencing the speakers are more than good enough. If you want better audio get yourself a nice headset (I use a bluetooth one so there's no cables). ThinkPads have never been known for their audio quality, and if you had done your research you would know this. In fact under those speaker grills are some pretty small speakers, the large grills are mostly for aesthetics.

 

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Re: Speakers are very poor quality. Why?

I do see from the image link.

 

Well I doubt thats everyones take. Same with the NVS4200 is way too slow even as a business applications but I see in the new 530 they move way up to the 5400. That GPU is in a totally different class.

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Re: Speakers are very poor quality. Why?

Well, it's not really necessary economical to add significantly better speakers. The speakers as they are are suitable for voice, and that's pretty much all they're looked to for.

If you really want more out of the NVS4200M, why not just overclock it?

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tripplec
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Re: Speakers are very poor quality. Why?

I was experimenting with overclocking but the profile created doe not want to become active. I am missing something in implementing it even though I've been over it a few times. No rush, I was trying the GPU core to 900 from 810 std and memory clock to 900Mhz as well. Basically a 100Mhz push. i read the NVS is well underclocked for stability so there should be headroom but how much? Implementing it is the trick right now.


@ColonelONeill wrote:
Well, it's not really necessary economical to add significantly better speakers. The speakers as they are are suitable for voice, and that's pretty much all they're looked to for.

If you really want more out of the NVS4200M, why not just overclock it?

 

T520 Model 4239 Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-2860QMbr>; Nvidia NVS 4200M Win 10 64bit
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