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lonerock
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T430s Memory & mSATA

Hey folks, I just ordered a T430. I also ordered a new mSATA drive and an 8GB memory stick from NewEgg. I have a few questions while waiting for delivery.

 

I'm planning on following this guide to boot from the mSATA. Will I lose EE 3.0? If so is there a way to keep it using some other drive imaging package?

 

Based on the infromation at Crucial's web site the memory for the T430s is 1.35v, but I see yipcw's review notes show the memory shipped from Lenovo is 1.5v. I can not find any info on Lenovo's site as to the memory specs. Will my 1.35v chip work? Will they work together? I fear that I'll have a stock chip I have to pull, or worse yet a chip I have to return :-(

 

Thanks in advance,

 

Steve

 


tripplec
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Re: T430s Memory & mSATA

Unless the manufacturer's support can confirm it will work its uncertain. Some memory works and others don't. However, you should stick to the known spec's especially on online orders. I prefer to deal with a computer chain where I can get quick swap/exchange as I had to for this since the first brand did not work at all.
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JDay
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Re: T430s Memory & mSATA

Just make a restore disc set and restore it to the mSATA and you should be fine so long as the mSATA drive is large enough to hold the factory image and recovery partition. You could also just use the mSATA as an SSD caching drive, which may actually be the better option.

 

Intel releases new caching SSDs to go with Ivy Bridge

 

EDIT: The link is for Intel branded drives which are kind of slow, you can use any mSATA drive to get the same result. I would go with a Samsung PM830 mSATA. 

lonerock
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Re: T430s Memory & mSATA

JDay, It's a 240gb mSATA drive, kind of big for caching. In fact it will hold all my apps and data that is not photos or music. While the Samsumg 830 is a great drive its not being sold via retail in the mSATA form factor, so its not a vialble option (unless you know a source), which is why I ordered a Mushkin Atlas. Very similar specs to the Samsung drive.

 

Although the drive maybe faster than the SATA II controller for the mSATA slot. Kind of dumb of lenovo to give the mSATA only a SATA II channel and the option bay the SATA III channel. Who's going to put thier fastest drive in a removable bay?

 

But my question has nothing to do with the drive, or installing it. But rather EE3.0 and how to keep it. Anyone know anything about EE3.0?

 

The more I read about SSD geometry the less I worry about this though. Doing a fresh install is probably more important than getting the specific layout Lenovo has developed.

 

Tripplec, intersting philosphy, but do you know if 1.5v and 1.35v ram will work in the T430s together? Or if the T430s is shipping with 1.35v or 1.5v ram?

 

Thanks,

 

Steve

pleon
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Re: T430s Memory & mSATA

To keep EE3, definitely make recovery media first, then put mSATA device (optionaly remove current disc) and restore from recovery media to mSATA. Then you have clean default situation, but on mSATA device. But také care, If you use the mSATA solid state drive as a bootable device, its reliability is not guaranteed. See documentation http://www.lenovo.com/shop/americas/content/user_guides/t430s_ug_en.pdf , page 111. Due to the fact you have quite big mSATA SSD, its better then use mSATA as just cache. In case of voltage, i have no detailed information about it.
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JDay
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Re: T430s Memory & mSATA

I have seen the Samsung pm830 mSATA drives for sale online, although the 256GB version can be hard to find. And I am not sure that the mSATA port is SATA-II since the T530 customization page lists the mSATA as being SATA-III. The internals of these systems are pretty much identical from what I understand. As for keeping EE 3.0 you will need to restore the factory image to the mSATA drive. If you need a different edition of Windows you can always do the anytime upgrade to Ultimate later. I did a clean install of Windows on my T510 after putting my SSD in it but ended up reverting to the factory image because it is indeed faster. The only bloatware you have to worry about are the antivirus, which I believe it asks you on first boot if you want to install and the unactivated copy of Microsoft Office which is easy to remove, or you can just activate it if you have a key.
If you want to be sure you get RAM that will not conflict with your ThinkPad I would order it from Crucial. Their RAM is high quality and works just fine in ThinkPads. They have both 1.35v and 1.5v modules listed as compatible. However I would go with one of the 1.35v kits since you will get better battery life.
http://www.crucial.com/store/listparts.aspx?model=ThinkPad%20T430s&Cat=RAM
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Re: T430s Memory & mSATA


@pleon wrote:
But také care, If you use the mSATA solid state drive as a bootable device, its reliability is not guaranteed. See documentation http://www.lenovo.com/shop/americas/content/user_guides/t430s_ug_en.pdf , page 111. Due to the fact you have quite big mSATA SSD, its better then use mSATA as just cache. In case of voltage, i have no detailed information about it.


mSATA drives were originally developed to be used as the system drive in netbooks. There is no reason why one would not work as one in the T420s.

pleon
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Re: T430s Memory & mSATA

Its not the question of particular mSATA device, its question of usage. This is not told by me, this is told by official Lenovo documentation for T430s. Nothing more, nothing less.
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JDay
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Re: T430s Memory & mSATA


@pleon wrote:
Its not the question of particular mSATA device, its question of usage. This is not told by me, this is told by official Lenovo documentation for T430s. Nothing more, nothing less.

An SSD is an SSD. If it had a risk of failure being used as the system drive it would have the same risk being used as a caching drive, more in fact since a caching drive is constantly moving information to/from it as you system use pattern changes. They put that in there mainly because Intel intended the mSATA to be used for caching so using it as a system drive is not supported by them (i.e. if you have issues they will not do anything about it). In any case it will work just fine, you can ask the people who have been doing it on other ThinkPad models for years if you do not believe me.

pleon
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Re: T430s Memory & mSATA

My dear friend, i do not claim your information at all, i use SSDs for for years, Thinkpad laptops for 10 years. All i tell is just the link to official documentation of LENOVO for T430s, where there is a information and some recomendation about mSATA usage. Thats all. Has nothing to your experience, my experience. Its just official LENOVO documentation and recommendation.
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Lenovo T440s, 20AQ0067MC, Windows 8.1 Pro x64 UEFI, Samsung 840 EVO SSD 250 GB, 8 GB RAM
Lenovo T430s, 2356LQG, Windows 8.1 Pro x64 UEFI, Intel 520 SSD 180 GB, 8 GB RAM
Lenovo T420s, 4171-6SG, Windows 8 Pro x64 UEFI, Intel 320 SSD 120 GB, 8 GB RAM
Lenovo T400s, 2808-CYG, Windows 7 Ultimate x64

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