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kenwest
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T470S - second SATA M.2 2242 HD in WWAN not recognized

Hello

 

I tried to install a second SSD HD M.2 2242 in the WWAN slot of my T470S but it is not recognized by Win10 nor Linux (Ubuntu)
- Laptop T470S (20JT-S1GT0D)
- preinstalled working SSD: SanDisk X400 M.2 2280 256GB OPAL SATA 6.0Gbps
- second not working SSD: Transcend M.2 2242 SATA III, 512GB GMTS400S

My Question: Is a second SSD M.2 supported in T470S?

I did not see information in the forum for the S model, only for P or 480, where it apparently worked.

The 470S specs-file mentiones the following for storage:
One of the following:
    M.2 SSD / SATA 6.0Gb/s (e.g. xxxGB SSD M.2)
    M.2 SSD / PCIe NVMe, PCIe 3.0 x 4, 32Gb/s (e.g. xxxGB SSD M.2 PCIe NVMe)

The specs PDF does not mention WWAN slot for storage, so im unsure if it is supported at all.
http://psref.lenovo.com/syspool/Sys/PDF/ThinkPad/ThinkPad%20T470s/ThinkPad_T470s_Platform_Specificat...

Or maybe:
Is the problem that its a SATA 2242 disk and not a PCIe NVMe, PCIe 3.0?

It seems to work for T470P, but "P" has a different specs then "S" and mentiones WWAN storage
https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/ThinkPad-T400-T500-and-newer-T/T470p-2x-SSD/m-p/3722045#M117231

Some people mentioned a BIOS issue with M.2 2242 SSD and Lenovo.
mine came with UEFI BIOS N1WET45W 1.24 (did not find the SSD)
and then I upgraded to N1WET51W 1.30 (did not find the SSD)
I did not try v1.29, but its on my list if nothing else works
https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/ThinkPad-T400-T500-and-newer-T/T470-m-2-2280-and-2242/m-p/3767342#M1181...

Any hints or ideas are welcome ;-)
Thank you


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Re: T470S - second SATA M.2 2242 HD in WWAN not recognized

update:

I tried with BIOS v1.28 no luck, there is no v1.29 listed for T470S on lenovo.com, so I cant try

 

To be clear, the disk is not seen in the BIOS diagonostic tool and does not show up in Diskmanager in Win10 nor GParted on Linux, so its not an issue of an unformated disk

Thanks

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Re: T470S - second SATA M.2 2242 HD in WWAN not recognized

Welcome to the Community

In addition to the information in the T470s' specs you've quoted, I'd add that m.2 2242 SSDs are absent in the laptop' parts list. Usually, in case the laptop supports such drive, it's present in the list approved devices and parts, depending on the type, SATA or PCIe. BIOS update shouldn't help.



x220 • Gobi 2000 3g | hdd, msata ssd, wwan, wifi, gps -- unique hand-made config
ThinkPad 25 Special Anniversary Edition. #retro. Signed by D.Hill
T470p | X1 Carbon Gen3 | Miix 2 10" | Yoga Tablet 2-1050F (Android) + BT Keyboard
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Re: T470S - second SATA M.2 2242 HD in WWAN not recognized

Thank you for your answer @x22forme

I saw that it wasnt listed in the parts list, but I didnt see it listed for other models as well where it apparently worked.

So I wanted to be sure that it is not supported, and not just forgotten-to-be-mentioned on the list ;-)

 

but from your message it seems that the WWAN slot, which was shipped empty on my device, can not be used for a secondary SSD M.2 2242 on a T470S

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Re: T470S - second SATA M.2 2242 HD in WWAN not recognized

> but I didnt see it listed for other models as well where it apparently worked.

for example?



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ThinkPad 25 Special Anniversary Edition. #retro. Signed by D.Hill
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Re: T470S - second SATA M.2 2242 HD in WWAN not recognized

My bad, I might have mixed up the numbers, I recheckt the parts list, and M.2 2242 is not listed for T470S

On the other hand I always though the parts list is just kind of the officially recomended ones, but not an exhaustive list.

As for example for T470 it only lists 128GB M.2 2242, but people reported that a 256GB works as well

 

https://pcsupport.lenovo.com/ch/en/products/laptops-and-netbooks/thinkpad-t-series-laptops/thinkpad-...

 

But anyhow, looks to me that, the WWAN slot which is present, can not be used for a second M.2 harddisk withe the following models

T480s, T470s, T460p, T460s, T460

But it should work for T480,T470,T470p

 

Thanks!

 

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Re: T470S - second SATA M.2 2242 HD in WWAN not recognized

> But anyhow, looks to me that, the WWAN slot which is present, can not be used for a second M.2 harddisk withe the following models
T480s, T470s, T460p, T460s, T460

At least, t460p supports m.2 2242 sata SSD, its fru_bom file lists such drive



x220 • Gobi 2000 3g | hdd, msata ssd, wwan, wifi, gps -- unique hand-made config
ThinkPad 25 Special Anniversary Edition. #retro. Signed by D.Hill
T470p | X1 Carbon Gen3 | Miix 2 10" | Yoga Tablet 2-1050F (Android) + BT Keyboard
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Message 8 of 11

Re: T470S - second SATA M.2 2242 HD in WWAN not recognized

thanks

interesting yes T460P lists it in the parts list, but its not listed in the specs file for WWAN

http://psref.lenovo.com/syspool/Sys/PDF/ThinkPad/ThinkPad%20T460p/ThinkPad_T460p_Platform_Specificat...

 

but not my model anyway ;-)

thanks

 

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Re: T470S - second SATA M.2 2242 HD in WWAN not recognized

So did anyone try to install an

m.2 2242 PCIe nvme instead of sata into the wwan slot?

 

thanks,

Dennis

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Re: T470S - second SATA M.2 2242 HD in WWAN not recognized

Dose Toshiba RC100 work?

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