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T510 vs. W510

I am looking to buy either the T510 or W510. Priced both and surprisingly they are very close in pricing. I like the larger memory on the graphics card on the W510. I watch old TV shows on the laptop. The SDRAM is a little slower on the W510. Processor is faster.

 

 

 

T510

 

Intel Core i5-560M Processor (2.66GHz, 3MB L3)

 

Genuine Windows 7 Professional 64

 

15.6" HD+ Anti-Glare Display with LED Backlight and WWAN Antenna

 

NVIDIA NVS 3100m Optimus Graphics with 512MB DDR3 Memory

 

4 GB PC3-10600 DDR3 SDRAM 1333MHz SODIMM Memory (1 DIMM) at 1066MHz

 

UltraNav (TrackPoint and TouchPad) with Fingerprint Reader

 

128 GB Solid State Drive, Serial ATA

 

Multi Recorder Optical Drive (12.7mm)

 

6 cell 2.6Ah Li-Ion Battery - Dual Mode

 

Bluetooth w/ antenna

 

Intel Centrino Advanced-N + WiMAX 6250

 

Integrated Mobile Broadband - Upgradable

 

4313 : 1 Year Depot Warranty - TopSeller

 

 

$1,347.17

 

 

Thinkpad W510

 

 

 

Intel Core i7-720QM Processor (6M Cache, 1.60GHz)

 

Genuine Windows 7 Professional 64

 

15.6" HD+ Anti-Glare Display with LED Backlight and WWAN Antenna

 

NVIDIA Quadro FX 880M Graphics with 1GB DDR3 memory

 

4 GB PC3-8500 DDR3 SDRAM 1067MHz SODIMM Memory (2 DIMM)

 

128 GB Solid State Drive, Serial ATA

 

Multi Recorder Optical Drive (12.7mm)

 

9 cell 2.8Ah Li-Ion Battery - Dual Mode

 

Intel Centrino Advanced-N + WiMAX 6250

 

No WWAN support

 

4318 : 1 Year Depot Warranty - TopSeller

 

  

$1,319.47

 

The information I need is size & weight comparison. I don't want a hefty machine. The pictures I saw of the T510 and W510 makes me think that the W510 is heftier. I hadn't seen any of these machines in person. I am replacing an old T43p which just died. Can someone help me with size & weight comparison between the two machines? I will use this machine primarly at home.

 

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Re: T510 vs. W510

The T510 and W510 are identical chassis. According to tabook.pdf (http://www.lenovo.com/psref/pdf/tabook.pdf), both are the same weight too.

 

The RAM clock is limited to 1067MHz on both systems, so having 1333MHz RAM doesn't provide any benefits unless you plan to later move the same memory modules to a 1333MHz bus speed computer.

 

If you plan to store lots of TV shows on the computer, then a SSD is probably not the best suited for that; it's storage size is small, it's more expensive, and it's primary benefit is to random reads; video files are generally read from sequentially.


W520: 2960XM, Q2000M @ 1091/1380, 32GB RAM, 500GB&750GB HDD & 500GB SSD, FHD&MB168B+
X61T: L7500, 4GB RAM, 500GB HDD, XGA screen, Ultrabase
W550s: 5600U, K620M at 1164/1281, 16GB RAM, 512GB SSD, 3K touchscreen
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Re: T510 vs. W510

Thanks for the link. I don't store movies/shows on the laptop. I watch it off the net.

 

If the dimensions & weight are the same, the W510 has got to be the choice.

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@ColonelONeill: Something I really wonder is what is the point in offering PC3-10600 optional RAM upgrades for the W510 (and charging the customers more for it, since it makes them think they're paying for higher RAM speeds), if intel’s QM57 chipset can’t support any higher memory speeds than the 1066MHz found on the PC3-8500 types? Don’t tell me the max memory bandwidth is driven by the processor (ix-xxxM or ix-xxxQM) type! Cause then I could pop a PC3-10600 RAM type in a T410 and expect it to run at 1333MHz (given if I have upgraded the processor to the QM series already)!?

 

@pcot: The main practical difference between the models you mention to my opinion are 3;

 

  1. The battery lifetime difference. With the W510 9 cell battery you are looking at 4 to 5 hours max where some reviews point even more towards 3 hours if only browsing. It is mainly due to the power hungry QM processor (max 45 watts) and FX880 graphics processor! While the T510 can run much longer with the same 9 cell battery due to lower processor power draw (max 35 watts) and intelligent energy efficient OPTIMUS feature (only specific models) switching from discrete to integrated GPU depending on what you doing.
  2. The option of upgrading the W510 up to 16GB RAM, while T510 can go 8GB RAM max.
  3. The USB 3.0 port on the W510 where the T510 (while containing the same intel QM57 chipset) unfortunately for no logical reason doesn't offer that.
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Actually the 720QM memory controller supports 1066 and 1333 memory - check the specs. The CPU is the memory controller in the newer generations. (Unless the BIOS actually forces all memory to 1066.) On the other hand, the 560M does NOT support 1333, so yes, the extra speed memory is hilariously out of place and nothing but a price gouge.

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the W510 with quad core i7 can use 1333 mhz ram at its native speed, while the T410 and T510 can only use 1066 mhz ram (i assume the dual core equipped W510 can only utilise 1066 mhz too).

Also the W510 that came with quad core processors get 4 ram slots, as opposed to the 2 ram slots for the T510 (2 ram slots only for the dual core variants of the W510).

Also the GPU on the W510 is aimed at people doing lot of CAD, so unless you need it, then just get the T510.

However, one should take note that many of the T510 and T410 equipped with nvidia gpu on the outlet site is not optimus equipped. So there is on the fly graphics card switching (or any graphics card switching for that matter, you are stuck on the nvidia GPU mode).

Furthermore, the optimus technology allows the T510, T410 with Nividia GPU to support 4 LCD using the dock 3 plus. With the non-optimus and intel gpu equipped T510, T410 you only can support 2 monitors.
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Re: T510 vs. W510

@foxyshadis:

 

I do know the specs you referring to (ark.intel should have been my homepage since its launch already) and I agree with your comment. Where I am not so sure about is "The CPU is the memory controller in the newer generations."  AFAIK, the fact the QM CPUs support 1333 MHz memory types, does not necessarily mean that as long as the actual memory offers it, they'll take it. Since it is the chipset that has to feed the CPU that kind of bus speeds receiving from the memory.

 

So in short it won't be the BIOS forcing 1066 MHz, but simply the QM57 chipset not supporting any higher speeds than 1066 MHz.

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lead_org

"Also the GPU on the W510 is aimed at people doing lot of CAD, so unless you need it, then just get the T510."

 

The T510's graphics are based on the 310M, whereas the W510's are based on the 330M. If one intends to do any gaming or other GPU-accelerated tasks (Photoshop, video rendering, etc) the 880M will make a huge difference there, not just in CAD. The FX 880M is nearly twice as powerful as the NVS 3100M by the benchmarks.

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Dutchice

"So in short it won't be the BIOS forcing 1066 MHz, but simply the QM57 chipset not supporting any higher speeds than 1066 MHz."

 

There is no northbridge in a QM57, or any i-series chipset. It's a direct connection from the CPU pins to the memory, thus there's no chipset to get in the way and support or not support a certain speed. That's why there's nothing at all listed for memory in the QM57's spec sheet.

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Re: T510 vs. W510

the drivers for the FX880m is optimised for OpenGL, you can do gaming on it, but this is not the best way to utilise the laptop. But i guess whatever floats your boat.

Yes, the FX880M GPU can also better assist the Photoshop and video rendering, provided that the user have the right software package.
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Jin Li

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